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Old 12-18-2014, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
Thanks for the opinion. My take is that as long as I wouldn't be involuntarily displaced, I don't think it would be horrible to be the plug as long as I lived in domicile. While I like money as much as the next guy, I could be happy just pulling in reserve guarantee for a couple years if it meant I'd have lots of free time to enjoy my family and the outdoors. As a new guy who really doesn't have any concept of life as the plug, would that be a fairly accurate assessment?

My wife followed me for 16 years in the AF so I promised her she could pick any domicile where I could hold an airframe. She has given me the options of Seattle and Atlanta. I currently live in San Antonio and hate how I'm basically a prisoner in my own home for 5-6 months of the year due to the heat/humidity and I don't see that being any different in Atlanta. Due to kids in school we need to move this summer or not at all, and even on positive space I don't like commuting which means we are definitely moving this summer. If I can't get SEA on the January AE then it is unlikely I'd be able to get there any time soon anyway so I feel like this is my one shot to break free of the south .

As for the new category, tell me about it . I'm ecstatic to have been hired by DAL, but my 717 NYC reserve schedule in January will not be one of my selling points to the bros who are asking about staying in/getting out. I think it would sting a lot less if my goofy reserve schedule was spent sitting at home with the family rather than commuting back and forth to the crash pad.
I am not sure what you define as a goofy reserve schedule. If you are on the 717 in NYC for JAN you can move virtually any day you want. You can also personal drop any days you don't want to be on call. If being in a heavily overmanned category on reserve is this much trouble for you then your not going to be happy in this job.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler View Post
Got this email today from the DPA. It looks like the MEC administration is up to its old tricks of "receiving" resolutions:



First, I really applaud the ATL based line pilots for pushing this resolution. Second, didn't the administration promise to stop "receiving" resolutions from the members? I thought they were going to simply vote on them and stop the editing process as well.

For those of us not in ATL, I'd really like any info you could give me on this movement for transparency. This is going to get visibility because of all folks here who've consistently claimed we can change DALPA from within. I guess we'll see.

Carl
I was at the meeting where this was discussed. It was a good idea, but not sure I'd describe it as a "movement." One pilot brought it in as a resolution and the group agreed with the idea.

Apparently it is illegal per federal law to provide any sort of vote tabulation for elections (supposedly for intimidation protection??), but not so for contracts, LOAs, etc. This resolution was to explore ways to allow pilots to verify after the fact that their vote was properly recorded against a master list.

The idea floated was to assign each pilot a random tracking ID that would be attached to his vote. After the votes are tallied, a spreadsheet could be published with 2 columns - one with the tracking IDs and the other with the vote. That way a pilot could go look at the sheet, find his # and verify it was recorded properly.

I'm fine with the idea, but there were a few cons presented. Among those:

- the potential for a pilot to intimidate/threaten another based on his vote. ie "Tell me your ID # so I can verify you're not a surrender monkey..."
- We don't want the body that oversees the voting (NMB? can't remember) to interpret this move as our lack of confidence in the electronic voting system that we currently have. The concern stated was that we could be forced back into a snail mail voting system, which would decrease pilot participation, etc...
- A few more that I can't remember

Mostly though, I don't see the harm and if it makes a guy feel warm and fuzzy about the process then why not? Just my opinion.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak View Post
Looks like Carl is up to his old tricks of spreading DPA lies.

The C44 resolution was not "received". It was amended and passed unanimously. According to a summary of resolutions from my reps in their latest update, "14-148: Directs the MEC Chairman to investigate possible enhancements to the membership balloting and confirmation process. [Unanimous]"
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I am not sure what you define as a goofy reserve schedule. If you are on the 717 in NYC for JAN you can move virtually any day you want. You can also personal drop any days you don't want to be on call. If being in a heavily overmanned category on reserve is this much trouble for you then your not going to be happy in this job.
Agreed. Take a look at the Scheduling Reference Handbook for ways to move X-days, Personal Drop (PD) if you want, etc.

In a category that is overstaffed (which allows lots of creative schedule manipulation) you have no one to blame but yourself if you don't move things around to make it more tolerable.

None of that changes the fact that commuting to reserve sucks. Your silver lining is that it will be very short lived. A month or three is a blip in the grand scheme of things. Welcome to the airlines
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog View Post
This trend to more and more 5 days as highlighted in the scheduling alert sucks. No matter how you slice it, we are paying for that 5:15 guarantee.
Life is grand! 3 commutes a month with a rotation falling into carry over for the next month for lots of days off in the month. Turning 2 weeks of vacation into a full month off on a NB...hoping it will be X 2 next year. One man's garbage is another man's gold!
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman View Post
This is the stuff that drove me away from DPA. For years we have heard how horrible our negotiators are and that they should be replaced. Now one leaves and he was the best thing that ever happened to the pilot group and man are we screwed. Which is it?

Had DPA run a more positive campaign not focusing on comparing our contract to Chinese forced abortions, irrelevant hacking scandals turning into a "federal case" and other bogey man type antics there would have been a vote by now. Unfortunate TC is blinded by his anger and ambition and can't give up control. I keep hearing that there are former "good guys" from the MEC and various positions who have seen the light and are just waiting for DPA to come to the rescue.
You were never a DPA supporter Dorfman, we've been over this. You're a DALPA guy through and through. Which is fine. I'm glad your happy with them.

Regarding Heiko, I don't recall a single post from DPA ever criticizing him. He was a relatively new guy there anyway.

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Old 12-18-2014, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak View Post
Looks like Carl is up to his old tricks of spreading DPA lies.

The C44 resolution was not "received". It was amended and passed unanimously. According to a summary of resolutions from my reps in their latest update, "14-148: Directs the MEC Chairman to investigate possible enhancements to the membership balloting and confirmation process. [Unanimous]"
I should have been a little more specific in my request. I'd like information from ATL line pilots about this resolution...from non-DALPA political hacks.

Sorry for the confusion.

Carl
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:29 AM
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LEC Crewroom Presense


This monthly crewroom presense is one of the best things DALPA has ever done.

Don't just walk on by.

Stop, introduce yourself. Shake hands and thanks them for their service on our behalf.

Look them in the eye and tell them your minimum for a yes vote is the 2004.hourly rates plus.

Tell them your expectations are high and historical. Tell them you support them 100%.

Get out of the the wagon and help pull it.

Jerry
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I am not sure what you define as a goofy reserve schedule. If you are on the 717 in NYC for JAN you can move virtually any day you want. You can also personal drop any days you don't want to be on call. If being in a heavily overmanned category on reserve is this much trouble for you then your not going to be happy in this job.
Originally Posted by LeineLodge View Post
Agreed. Take a look at the Scheduling Reference Handbook for ways to move X-days, Personal Drop (PD) if you want, etc.

In a category that is overstaffed (which allows lots of creative schedule manipulation) you have no one to blame but yourself if you don't move things around to make it more tolerable.

None of that changes the fact that commuting to reserve sucks. Your silver lining is that it will be very short lived. A month or three is a blip in the grand scheme of things. Welcome to the airlines
Thanks guys I had no idea I could PD or swap reserve days, I thought that was only for line holders. I could turn 21 days in the crash pad into about 17 if I can line up my reserve days.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
Thanks guys I had no idea I could PD or swap reserve days, I thought that was only for line holders. I could turn 21 days in the crash pad into about 17 if I can line up my reserve days.
The first PCS run is on the 20th at 7am. Now is a good time to go ahead and put on all of your request.
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