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sailingfun 01-27-2015 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1812576)
Those are just bad ideas. I don't have a problem with bad ideas, but when you bring them up, they get shot down and you decide to bring them back again and again without adding anything of substance it is a pretty clear sign of a troll.

Out of base white slips ahead of reserves is not a bad thing. In fact it's elimination was a concession demanded by the company. They did not want to pay a line holder to fly a trip they could have a reserve fly for free. The old system still allowed any in base reserve to move ahead of a out of base white slip if they desired a specific trip or just to fly via a yellow slip. I would have no problem with changing back to the pre bankruptcy system. Sadly such a change will be costed against us in the next contract even though it was ripped from us in chapter 11.

sailingfun 01-27-2015 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by eruption (Post 1812581)
Oops...sorry about not being clearer...The Windstar ship docks in Virgin Gorda near the Bitter End Yacht Club for 2 days/1 night....

Going to powerboat over to Anegada for one of those days.

Whew! You made my day much better!

Howgozit 01-27-2015 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1812584)
Out of base white slips ahead of reserves is not a bad thing. In fact it's elimination was a concession demanded by the company. They did not want to pay a line holder to fly a trip they could have a reserve fly for free. The old system still allowed any in base reserve to move ahead of a out of base white slip if they desired a specific trip or just to fly via a yellow slip. I would have no problem with changing back to the pre bankruptcy system. Sadly such a change will be costed against us in the next contract even though it was ripped from us in chapter 11.

I know commuting is a choice and all but for some unfortunate reserve pilots this will be a major lack of being able to plan ahead or yellow slip for a trip due to out of base guys white slipping.

Jughead135 01-27-2015 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by eruption (Post 1812522)
As a Delta pilot, is the jumpseat process the same as a normal domestic flight?

You may already know this, but I learned it the hard way a couple of weeks ago: a significant difference internationally is that you cannot "convert" your non-rev listing to a JS listing ("flow forward"). Once you're within 75 minutes of push, you're stuck with whatever listing you have (or don't have). For reasons that elude me, the system cannot take a non-rev listing and put you in the JS; and we're not allowed to make two listings (i.e., one non-rev & another JS "just in case"). You can still "flow back" from the JS if there are open seats, but if you're trying to sit with your wife, that may not work out as well....

Sink r8 01-27-2015 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by Howgozit (Post 1812599)
I know commuting is a choice and all but for some unfortunate reserve pilots this will be a major lack of being able to plan ahead or yellow slip for a trip due to out of base guys white slipping.

Sounds logical to me. I don't see why a guy from a different base gets to pick off the better trips. If my base's lineholders don't WS it, as a Reserve, I want the option to put in a high yellow for it.

Here is a fair way to look at most OOB transactions:
1). If you want to fly in my base, bid it.
2). If no one in my base wants it, then you can bid the trip.
3). The base's flying belongs to the base, and is on loan to the pilot that holds it. If he doesn't fly it, it belings in my base's open time, not your buddy in another, according to any individual's whims.

sailingfun 01-27-2015 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Howgozit (Post 1812599)
I know commuting is a choice and all but for some unfortunate reserve pilots this will be a major lack of being able to plan ahead or yellow slip for a trip due to out of base guys white slipping.

Under the old system as I posted in base reserves always had priority over out of base white slips. If they submitted a yellow slip they went first. The company demanded the change as it reduces costs and manning. Even when on reserve I liked the system because out of base guys often saved me from having to fly a crap trip I was sure I was going to get.

Sink r8 01-27-2015 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1812618)
Under the old system as I posted in base reserves always had priority over out of base white slips. If they submitted a yellow slip they went first. The company demanded the change as it reduces costs and manning. Even when on reserve I liked the system because out of base guys often saved me from having to fly a crap trip I was sure I was going to get.

I don't think your assertion about manning is correct, the way Reseves are flying these days. Under 30% Reserves, maybe. Today, I suspect the net effect would just be to have Reserves fly crappier trips.

sailingfun 01-27-2015 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1812615)
Sounds logical to me. I don't see why a guy from a different base gets to pick off the better trips. If my base's lineholders don't WS it, as a Reserve, I want the option to put in a high yellow for it.

Here is a fair way to look at most OOB transactions:
1). If you want to fly in my base, bid it.
2). If no one in my base wants it, then you can bid the trip.
3). The base's flying belongs to the base, and is on loan to the pilot that holds it. If he doesn't fly it, it belings in my base's open time, not your buddy in another, according to any individual's whims.

One more time. Out of base white slips never went ahead of in base reserves who wanted to fly. If a in base reserve puts in a yellow slip he gets the trip ahead of the out of base white slip.
The company demanded the change to the current system. The old system was better for me as a reserve. It allowed me more not fewer options.

sailingfun 01-27-2015 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1812622)
I don't think your assertion about manning is correct, the way Reseves are flying these days. Under 30% Reserves, maybe. Today, I suspect the net effect would just be to have Reserves fly crappier trips.

How could that be?

Sink r8 01-27-2015 06:30 AM

Don't have the data to prove it, but I do have <10% battery remaining, and am at the shop with car, and no charg


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