Exactly!!

If we give it up you can plan on another this is a victory sales job. Let's hope they follow the survey and the overwhelming will of the body.

 

Yeah, please don't "monetize" anything for us. Just negotiate an "out of the ballpark," contract that focuses on pay rates and tweaking a few odds and ends like vacation and training pay.

Just forget that anyone said anything about profit sharing, please.

 

No, my man, their process started the day we approved C12. (Well, after their hangover wore off, anyway). Heck, it probably started the day the merger was announced. RA plays chess.

Why do you pretend to know management's timeline, when you clearly don't? Why do you spend so much effort lowering our expectations?

 

Could all this talk of profit sharing be a false flag/red herring to distract us from a raid on sick leave? I know certain senior LCA pilots think we as a group are "abusing" sick leave. If our own side thinks this you can imagine what the 4th floor thinks.

 

True.

And let's not forget the AF/KLM violation on 1 March. The company would love to bury that in C15.

ALPA will be filing a grievance that day, right?

 

I posted this last week. I was starting a trip and posted it from the crewroom as I headed out to C concourse. I saw three alpa or DALPA lanyards on three notln uniform older guys at that moment. I did not see the FO rep. I guess I could identify them looking at pics but then again... Older white guy doesn't narrow it down much.

I dumped my bag over by the circular tables and was headed back to get it and go on. I was there long enough to catch that the conversation was about PS, so then I stayed for a minute or two and went on.

 

It is and so is sick leave. Anyone who thinks these two items are internet fodder is being naive. You can also throw split duty periods in there.

 

This right here... Jerry throwing crap against the wall about profit sharing (trying to get people angry at ALPA) seems to be the genesis for that.

The only thing I've heard about from the people that matter (re: senior management) is the sick leave thing. That's going to be the thing to watch in this next contract.

 

IMO negative changes in sick leave will be received just as CDO s were. Longer freezes as well. I think pay banding can be sold if the pilots wanted.it in the survey. As long as job loss.is offset by vacation etc.

 

The PS is one (massive) tree in the forest. What we're doing it here is discussing it a lot more than any other, because Jerry and/or someone on the MEC wanted to pre-empt whatever discussions are/will be taking place on this topic. The reps have not yet given direction, so it stands to reason that whatever has been said has been preliminary, and I would also assume that many other items have come up for discussion. The reps I spoke with were pretty conversant on the PS, and a range of other issues, as well they should be. The idea that some guys see opportunities WRT the PS is not far-fetched, so Jerry is not completely off-base, IMO. At the same time, I think they see opportunities everywhere. It's just that Jerry's elected to make the conversation exclusively about the PS, because he has a specific idea about it (wants it taken completely off the table).

I happen to agree with placing this as a very high priority, but I would note that an interesting consequence of trying to argue that the PS is sacred, is to actually bring novel arguments on why it might not be so sacred.