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Old 11-07-2014 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
His point is correct in that c2012 allowed more 76 seaters and while their staffing woes are good for us the dropping fuel prices make those large 76 seaters more economical.
C2012 also reduced the number of 50-seaters and total flying allowed at DCI. Dropping fuel prices also make 50-seaters more economical than they would otherwise be.
Old 11-07-2014 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LowPhlyer
The profit sharing reduction was floated as a "trial balloon" less than 48 hours before the T/A was announced and handed to the MEC. This means there was some discussion (which was mostly negative toward the idea of trading profit sharing for increased raises). But, there was no re-direction from the MEC to the negotiators or MEC Chairman.

Of course, the MEC was then handed the T/A with the profit sharing reduction and our MEC Chairman was quoted as stating: “The T/A should not be judged compared to the pilots aspirations as reflected in the contract survey…there is no context to their wishes”

The same background players are still prominent in the MEC Administration.
Thanks for the added detail. May one assume that you were in a position at the time to have first-hand knowledge of this?
Old 11-07-2014 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Also, yes, fuel prices should remain low for the next decade.
Ahhhh...a decade is a long time. It will stay low this year then be right back up. Most of the industry thinks a long term (decade) average will be right around 90/bbl.

There are so many variables that go into oil that I really think nobody knows what it will do. If it was just a true supply vs. demand issue then it would be fairly easy, but with OPEC and speculators in the market.....I don't think anyone really knows what it will do more than 6 months out.
Old 11-07-2014 | 07:20 AM
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One "may" make that assumption but we all know how to manipulate the word "assume". MEC schedules are public knowledge and it can be looked up that there was a conference call on the Saturday before the Monday announcement of the T/A while the MEC was starting a regularly scheduled meeting. BTW, conference calls are not "closed session" meetings.

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Old 11-07-2014 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
There are less RJ aircraft, less RJ seats being flown, less RJ pilots, less Delta passengers being deceived about who is flying their aircraft. Those are facts of C2012. An RJ seat is an RJ seat no matter if it is a 50 or 76 seater. The economics and staffing will further reduce the numbers. Just sayin.
Not so fast my friend! People hate 50 seaters but the new 76 seaters, not so much. Especially the E-170. As Bar has shown us they have better numbers than many mainline fleet airplanes and have wifi and comfy seats.

The 1500 hr/ATP and the majors hiring like gangbusters is what's killing DCI, not C2012. Full disclosure, I voted no on C2012 for the RJ increase reason. I readily admit however, it's turned out quite positive. Just don't attribute the RJ demise to it.
Old 11-07-2014 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LowPhlyer
One "may" make that assumption but we all know how to manipulate the word "assume". MEC schedules are public knowledge and it can be looked up that there was a conference call on the Saturday before the Monday announcement of the T/A while the MEC was starting a regularly scheduled meeting. BTW, conference calls are not "closed session" meetings.
Fair enough. Thanks...
Old 11-07-2014 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Not so fast my friend! People hate 50 seaters but the new 76 seaters, not so much. Especially the E-170. As Bar has shown us they have better numbers than many mainline fleet airplanes and have wifi and comfy seats.

The 1500 hr/ATP and the majors hiring like gangbusters is what's killing DCI, not C2012. Full disclosure, I voted no on C2012 for the RJ increase reason. I readily admit however, it's turned out quite positive. Just don't attribute the RJ demise to it.
Totally agreed on all points, satch.
Old 11-07-2014 | 07:58 AM
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Here she comes!



Serious question here, can they get it certified in time for first delivery to us in 2Q 2015? How much of a program does it have to go through since the airframe is not a clean sheet design?
Old 11-07-2014 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Remember, the reps are flying the line. Just like last time, it is the admin insiders who make the concessions.

In C2012 the MEC never authorized or discussed reducing profit sharing. O'Malley agreed to it without MEC knowledge and it was jammed down their throats. Same plan this time.
I don't know about "same plan this time" but that's clearly what happened with C2012.
The administration and the semi-permanent insiders wrote the contract.
The reps got played like a violin.

Whether they will let that happen again in 2015 is an open question.
Old 11-07-2014 | 08:02 AM
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A good friend of mine who travels a lot just flew Seattle to Las Vegas. He had a good ride down on a 737 but flew a CRJ700 back. He was very uncomfortable and not happy with the CRJ and will make sure he avoids RJ's at all costs in the future.

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