If you call the DTW LEC Office, they keep a list that is reasonably current.

Nu

 

This is why you're so embarrassing to have around here Oberon. You were busy flying for Pinneaglesabapass or some other scuzzball regional when this was occurring, yet you throw out this kind of superiority blather.

For the non-Oberon lurkers that may not know, C2012 was willingly voted in by 62%. Some loved it, some hated it and others voted yes due to a massive fear campaign from our MEC administration designed to scare instead of inform.

Carl

 

Perhaps they will play some of the classics next time?

"You'll never see the first 3% raise"
"You won't like plan B."
"If this were to pass, we could see ourselves running newhire classes by the end of 2012"
"Don't worry, something big is coming if this passes"

 

1. Welcome to the Show.

2. When you were hired, my seniority number didn't change at all.

3. Profit Sharing has zero bearing on how your paycheck is calculated.

 

You assume my delta 401k is my only retirement investments. Thanks for the advice though.

 

It's sure a poor business move when you purchase valuable assets, then throw them away. Pan Am brought a lot to Delta, then the Einstein's just tossed them. Same with buying Comair, then dumping it. Same with buying back stock for billions, then taking it to bankruptcy. Same with the NWA Pacific cargo ops, then dumping it.

If buying Pan Am ended up being a bad business move, it wasn't because of Pan Am.

Carl

 

1. You strike DAL, you get a free trip to the Moon. 2. If you ever flew PanAm equipment, most of it had one foot in Arizona. 3. The six empty JT8D boxes in India pretty much gave DAL an idea of PanAm's inventory control. I have no idea about NWA, except they sent me the bill for my physical. Good ol' Nyrop.

 

I expect the same performance as C 2012....anything better, is,....well, better

 

Uh, partially true at best. With the PanAm purchase, we purchased some of PanAm's assets, primarily Europe and the NY Shuttle. Like AA with TWA, we purchased some of an old airline, with old and crappy assets (JFK terminal for example), old employees, a system of almost mind-boggling fraud, waste and outright thievery with their physical assets, and lots of debt. We dumped the old assets, kept the debt, kept the old employees, then furloughed off the bottom.

Essentially we paid $2 billion for the Shuttle, which we have then changed and emasculated over and over. I think in the aggregate is has been a net positive--the European and African flying has been great--but not a great net positive--unlike the DAL/NWA merger, which truly was a great historic thing. Both the old assets as well as DAL mismanagement back in the day are the reasons why.

Had RA (Richard Anderson, not Ron Allen, our not-very-good CEO back then) or someone like him been at the helm in the early 90s the PanAm deal would not have gone down as it did. He either would have declined or gotten a much better deal (it is widely rumored that Bob Crandall at AA kept bidding up the price, knowing our own less than stellar CEO would keep outbidding him--which he did). And I know that our current CEO would have handled the logistics and operational issues post-merger much better than we did.

But like someone just posted, that was a long time ago and water under the bridge. I do know that the former PanAm FAs are some of the best you will ever fly with, even though they haven't worn that uniform since the early 90s!

 

This is the most true statement that I've seen on this site. You can always tell when you fly with a former PanAm. They treat you great and the customers even better.