It was discussed in detail at the local council meeting that I attended.

 

The Moak Group

 

Yeah, sailing is right on this one... I was woozy and disoriented after my 3rd wakeup in the middle of the night robocall, asking me to report in 3 hours or 4 hours (clearly violating crew-rest each time). I was irked and actually did kinda forget what was driving the IA calls, as I typed my message in the wee hours of the morning. But I can be forgiven as my wife was saying, "I have to wake up early, if that damn phone rings again you better be sitting up with your hand on it to answer in 1 ring!!!!"

And I can tell you that yes, being forced to listen to a robocall at 22:40, then at 23:58, then at 02:01, then at 06:31, then at 08:22, then at 09:31... YES, that absolutely violated my crew-rest, and I could in no way have been legal to fly ANYTHING they were asking me to fly, even if I COULD have commuted in (no flights avail to commute by t/o times). As I said, I actually WANTED to fly something.
Seriously, there have been multiple FAA interpretations of crew-rest and what breaks it, and at this point it's just crazy that they company has not programmed their phone system to remember who and when they called so as to not violate crew-rest.

 

I have a trip that is a single leg of shuttle that blocks in early in the morning. If there was a trip in open time that begins the same day, would day 1 of the 2nd trip just add to the block time of that 1st trip, or would I get the 5:15 guarantee for the only leg of the 1st trip, then a minimum of another 5:15 for day 1 of the follow-on trip? IE, can I snag a 10:30 day?

 

When we stopped flying to Cairo and Amman in NYC a few years back, those two daily flights x 2 FO's per flight changed the bidding dynamic as if I had slid back 40 numbers in category over night.

120 segments less per month...and I figure the top 40 FO's flew 3 of those per month. It made a huge difference for the A's and B's in that category. But I also get that system wide, it's not too big of a deal but we need to enforce the contract. From Junior wide body Captain on down, it has had an effect.

 

Wow, I thought that was a joke, then I clicked on it. No wonder he'll never fly the line again...

Must be a lot of money flying around up there in DC.

 

Wonder how long until it hits chitchat....unbelievable!

 

You seem to be asking if you can fly two separately published trips in the same day. Since they are two different duty periods, the answer is No unless you have the required rest between those duty periods.

 

You would have to have 13 hours off from release to report, and yes it would be another 5:15, unless it was a deadhead only duty period.

 

Interesting question.
Let me throw out a contrarian view. You can do it if you have a legal break like F16dude says, but also I think you could do it as long as you count it as one duty period and its FAR legal.
Look at 12.G.2 note 3.

And I also think you would get 10:30. The 5:15 ADG is per day of your rotation.
Two rotations, two ADGs. Section 12.J.