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Old 04-12-2015 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
I know there are a number of guys on here who own or owned light airplanes, and it's been a while since I've had anything to do with GA flying. What I've noticed it that the days of showing up at an FBO and renting a plane seem to be gone, replaced by clubs, fractional ownership, and outright ownership. How does one go about obtaining an aircraft that can be flown fairly economically about 100 hours per year, carry 4 + bags at least 300nm, and so on and so forth?
Buy a mid time C150. Get a car gas stc. 6 gallons per hr at 2.50/gallon. Rent a tie down at a grass strip and insure it. Most tie down strips will have access to an a&p mech who will either do you annuals of sign them off after you do it.
Old 04-12-2015 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
OK, it wasn't an FOM violation. Then what was the FAA violation? What FAR says you have to be redispatched if you return to the gate for any reason? The FAA would never suspend someone's ticket for 30 days without an FAR violation to back it up.

Again, I think you've made the whole thing up. I have no idea why you do this.



Your friend was wrong.



Everyone knows a 121 flight needs to be released by dispatch sailingfun. We're talking about whether you need a re-release if you return to the gate for any reason or the FAA will suspend your ticket for 30 days as you've alleged.

You need to admit you exaggerated a story to make some strange point. There is no such FAR, and the FAA would never suspend your license for 30 days for an alleged FOM violation. Stop digging!

Carl
Hey Sailing, you provide more useful information here then all the interweb bullies spouting their anti-ALPA crap combined. Not sure why they have it out for you but don't let them get to you. You're one of the posters I come here to read.
Old 04-12-2015 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
Hey Sailing, you provide more useful information here then all the interweb bullies spouting their anti-ALPA crap combined. Not sure why they have it out for you but don't let them get to you. You're one of the posters I come here to read.

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That he does!

I'm just a long time lurker but I've known Saling for 30+ years. He's not ALPA or company but he is a good guy well connected with both. He is well informed and knows what he is talking about, unlike many spouters here.

Good news is I don't think he is bothered by the bully rabble! ��

JJ

Donning helmet and flak jacket and back to lurking.
And yes...I wasn't smart enough to make a cutsie call sign, so...let it
rip. ��

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Old 04-12-2015 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Buy a mid time C150. Get a car gas stc. 6 gallons per hr at 2.50/gallon. Rent a tie down at a grass strip and insure it. Most tie down strips will have access to an a&p mech who will either do you annuals of sign them off after you do it.
I was going to post a pic. That is exactly my plan later.

For my family a travel plane would really be unnecessary, we need a play plane and learn to fly plane. So I did the math and a C150 is the way I want to go, and I'm kind of favoring the 150hp engine ones that have a higher gross weight. The only issue, I don't recall fitting in these planes. I remember my legs were too long and I couldn't turn the yoke very well. The C172 was massive in comparison.

Here's me 23 years ago learning to fly in a C152:



But it's the goal. Teach the kids to fly. No CFI cost. Mogas STC. I've got big dreams.




^^^^ Tailwheel conversion? Hmmmmm.

I go to the local airports here around ATL and kind of scoff. A lot of the C172s have G1000s, min 5 hour checkout at $260/hr. Find the older C172Rs or Ss and it's still pretty expensive. Found one place that was cheap but the planes matched the price but the CFI there was really cool.

Speaking of A36 rental. Here, there is one in ATL. $415/hr. Any CFI is $80/hr. http://www.lanierflightcenter.com/fl...rates-pricing/ My guess is probably more like 25 hours of A36 time to rent that one but thats only because I saw a 1990 something PA32 for rent but 25 hours of PA32R time required.

Bucking Bar could provide some color on that.
Old 04-12-2015 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by thefoxsays
Or read through CFR121 and 91. There are a few other sections too.

You will find that basiclly every reg is re-written into our FOM.
No, you won't. Not basiclly or otherwise.

Originally Posted by thefoxsays
My reply was purposefully rude. Boarderline sarcastic.
Is that anything like Borderline sarcastic?

Originally Posted by thefoxsays
I'm just wondering why my co-workers are debating this?
Because sailingfun told a complete fabrication. When that happens, it's important to point it out.

Originally Posted by thefoxsays
The best advice is just do the job the way the company wants. And no problem.
Nobody's saying otherwise. Knowing everything in our many manuals and then be able to recall them on the spot, keeps most of us incapable of flawless compliance with every policy. Therefore, making pilots think they could have their licenses suspended for 30 days as a result (for non-FAA violations) is the point of this discussion.

Carl
Old 04-12-2015 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
OK, it wasn't an FOM violation. Then what was the FAA violation? What FAR says you have to be redispatched if you return to the gate for any reason? The FAA would never suspend someone's ticket for 30 days without an FAR violation to back it up.

Again, I think you've made the whole thing up. I have no idea why you do this.



Your friend was wrong.



Everyone knows a 121 flight needs to be released by dispatch sailingfun. We're talking about whether you need a re-release if you return to the gate for any reason or the FAA will suspend your ticket for 30 days as you've alleged.

You need to admit you exaggerated a story to make some strange point. There is no such FAR, and the FAA would never suspend your license for 30 days for an alleged FOM violation. Stop digging!

Carl


The way I read his original response was that the guy got 30 days off. The Company can, at their discretion, give a guy 30 days off without pay. It doesn't have to have anything to do with the FAA or FAR rule breaking.

You are the one who assumed he had his license suspended by the FAA. He didn't say anything about the FAA. Just that he got 30 days off.
Old 04-12-2015 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
The way I read his original response was that the guy got 30 days off. The Company can, at their discretion, give a guy 30 days off without pay. It doesn't have to have anything to do with the FAA or FAR rule breaking.

You are the one who assumed he had his license suspended by the FAA. He didn't say anything about the FAA. Just that he got 30 days off.
Actually I believe it was the FAA because he had a prior letter of warning from the FAA they played into the suspension.
Old 04-12-2015 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Actually I believe it was the FAA because he had a prior letter of warning from the FAA they played into the suspension.

I'm trying to bail you out, bro....keep it down!

Well I stand corrected then. In your original post I didn't see anything about the FAA.
Old 04-12-2015 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Because sailingfun told a complete fabrication. When that happens, it's important to point it out.
Only if your purpose is arguing with sailing. If you guys are trying to highlight some sort of important distinction on this "issue", you're failing.
Old 04-12-2015 | 05:48 PM
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Just did the latest Call to Action for the Open Skies Fairness thing... took like 2 seconds. It's important because the comment period is open and your gov't reps need to hear from you now. Go do it!
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