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Old 04-09-2015 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
I love these comments on putting the numbers in by the widebody guys. You do what 8 a month maybe? Plus you have 3-4 people looking and verifying the AWABS? I just find it funny, not that anything you said was wrong.
Do you think we were born in the wide body?

How many years did you spend on the panel, doing takeoff data by hand, using charts and a slide rule, while also doing manual pay sheets and filling out F/A time slips?

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Old 04-09-2015 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I'm with you, I do not rush and that is my point. (And I think that's the point of the cd.) It's just not the impression I've gotten lately with the direction about gate latency and trying to shorten our taxi times lately.

Don't get me wrong, I think the extra 30 seconds I take by going step by step is well worth it and I won't change the way I do things. (Especially since I now think the cd backs me up!)

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I haven't seen the newest CQ CD, but when they came out with that Gate Latency nonsense I just laughed. How many times have I sat at the gate for 45 minutes while they removed a bag for a customer who didn't show up...

Just last week we were ready to go in the cockpit when the agent shut the door 10 minutes early, stranding a non-rev outside, in the window, we could see her waving at us. We still had all 3 cargo doors open, so I called the tug driver to ask how much longer.

He said, "It'll be another 20 minutes, minimum."

I then called Passenger Assist, and told them to find the agent, and open the door, and put the non-rev on, NOW!

It took 10 minutes of back and forth, arguing, while all 3 cargo doors were still open, but they finally got a red coat to open the door and put the non-rev on, and they finally got the cargo doors closed, 15 minutes later. So we pushed about 30 minutes late, had 180 kt tailwind across the pond, and 13 hours later, landed in Dubai an hour early.

SD can take that gate latency crap and shove it. I'll do it at my own pace, or SD can come down the jetway and fly it himself.

The nitwits who write these memos live in cubicles and rarely turn a wheel, they risk nothing when they go to work on the 4th floor. They are only concerned with justifying their jobs by coming up with some new "Metric" to measure us with.

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Old 04-09-2015 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
How many years did you spend on the panel, doing takeoff data by hand, using charts and a slide rule, while also doing manual pay sheets and filling out F/A time slips?
and walking to school, barefoot, uphill both ways, in the snow...
Old 04-10-2015 | 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I haven't seen the newest CQ CD, but when they came out with that Gate Latency nonsense I just laughed. How many times have I sat at the gate for 45 minutes while they removed a bag for a customer who didn't show up...

Just last week we were ready to go in the cockpit when the agent shut the door 10 minutes early, stranding a non-rev outside, in the window, we could see her waving at us. We still had all 3 cargo doors open, so I called the tug driver to ask how much longer.

He said, "It'll be another 20 minutes, minimum."

I then called Passenger Assist, and told them to find the agent, and open the door, and put the non-rev on, NOW!

It took 10 minutes of back and forth, arguing, while all 3 cargo doors were still open, but they finally got a red coat to open the door and put the non-rev on, and they finally got the cargo doors closed, 15 minutes later. So we pushed about 30 minutes late, had 180 kt tailwind across the pond, and 13 hours later, landed in Dubai an hour early.

SD can take that gate latency crap and shove it. I'll do it at my own pace, or SD can come down the jetway and fly it himself.

The nitwits who write these memos live in cubicles and rarely turn a wheel, they risk nothing when they go to work on the 4th floor. They are only concerned with justifying their jobs by coming up with some new "Metric" to measure us with.
Most well written post of the month.
Old 04-10-2015 | 03:34 AM
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Beat me to it!


Originally Posted by Humboldt
and walking to school, barefoot, uphill both ways, in the snow...
Old 04-10-2015 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
I love these comments on putting the numbers in by the widebody guys. You do what 8 a month maybe? Plus you have 3-4 people looking and verifying the AWABS? I just find it funny, not that anything you said was wrong.
on the 717 we have auto upload, fantastic, the 88 doesnt. And I'd rather manually load 20-30 flights as PF a month on the 88 then load 1 or 2 international flights a month manually.

Probably because in my time on the ER not all of the paperwork came on time. It'd turn into a 3 ring circus up there sometimes and it's still a one man show on loading that stuff Even with 3 people watching you.

Forget that.
Old 04-10-2015 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
on the 717 we have auto upload, fantastic, the 88 doesnt.
I really feel like the 717 is a mixed blessing as my 1st. On the one hand it is great getting so many legs and getting comfortable with the operation and the jet so quickly. On the other hand it does so much for us automatically I see how it would be easy to get lulled into a sense of security and make a complete blockhead move because I think the jet has things under control. Small example is when the WDR doesn't autoupload I've noticed that more than once we've forgotten to put in the NADP information.
Old 04-10-2015 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Humboldt
and walking to school, barefoot, uphill both ways, in the snow...
No, I had boots.

But I did grow up in New Hampshire and I did walk home from school often, after football or hockey practice, and it was up hill, and sometimes it was even in the snow.

That's why I live in Florida now!
Old 04-10-2015 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
I really feel like the 717 is a mixed blessing as my 1st. On the one hand it is great getting so many legs and getting comfortable with the operation and the jet so quickly. On the other hand it does so much for us automatically I see how it would be easy to get lulled into a sense of security and make a complete blockhead move because I think the jet has things under control. Small example is when the WDR doesn't autoupload I've noticed that more than once we've forgotten to put in the NADP information.
The auto upload for the T/O data only works about 50% of the time on the 777, and that's in the ATL. In some of our outstations on the other side of the planet; less than 50% of the time.

And you are right about the complacency, that's the problem with 'too much' automation. When it stops working, you either don't catch it right away, or worse, you've forgotten how to do it manually!
Old 04-10-2015 | 05:54 AM
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How would someone(not me) recommend that Delta NOT hire someone? Had a new hire ask about this because of a former co-worker that is applying here. Btw, the new hire is a great dude.
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