Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-09-2015, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
You're right, a more fair comparison would be about a 50' mono and a 40' cat, those usually charter for about the same rate. Even then, most non-sailors on the charter will prefer the cat for the lack of a companionway ladder, the galley at eye level with the action, and more accessible cabins (not to mention lack of heel). I personally like to feel a boat heel when it loads up... the big cruising cats feel slow to me even at 8 knots, and they don't point well. Tacking through 110 degrees just doesn't cut it when you're trying to get somewhere...no wonder those twin diesels get so many hours on them! But with 11 people in the Abacos, it was no contest. I took the cat into some pretty shallow cuts at mid-tide (Treasure Cay, Little Harbour) and there's no way I would have got any mono with a draft over 5 feet in there.
Are there any big (45'+) cruising cats that have added dagger boards? I thought I saw an article about some that had them. Those Gunboats all have deep dagger boards that lift up for shallow water. They are designed by Pete Melvin, a many time champion in A cats (an 18' carbon fiber rocket) as well as other cat classes.
He wanted a big cruising cat that would point and go fast, thus the Gunboat line is all race design based, where as some of the other 'cruising' cats, are just floating condos and are quite slow and won't point...but you can cram a ton of crap in there, and most people do...and heavy is slow!
What I really like is the Corsair trimarans, the best of both worlds, the stability and speed of a cat, point like a mono, pull the dagger board up you can put it right on the beach, and they fold up to take home with you, no slip fees! He's an F31 going 18 knots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofBLjxw_h2Y
04-09-2015, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
That's always the biggest drawback with cats of all sizes, that's why the small racing cats have added deep dagger boards now, and they will out point any mono today.
Are there any big (45'+) cruising cats that have added dagger boards? I thought I saw an article about some that had them. Those Gunboats all have deep dagger boards that lift up for shallow water. They are designed by Pete Melvin, a many time champion in A cats (an 18' carbon fiber rocket) as well as other cat classes.
He wanted a big cruising cat that would point and go fast, thus the Gunboat line is all race design based, where as some of the other 'cruising' cats, are just floating condos and are quite slow and won't point...but you can cram a ton of crap in there, and most people do...and heavy is slow!
What I really like is the Corsair trimarans, the best of both worlds, the stability and speed of a cat, point like a mono, pull the dagger board up you can put it right on the beach, and they fold up to take home with you, no slip fees! He's an F31 going 18 knots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofBLjxw_h2Y
Are there any big (45'+) cruising cats that have added dagger boards? I thought I saw an article about some that had them. Those Gunboats all have deep dagger boards that lift up for shallow water. They are designed by Pete Melvin, a many time champion in A cats (an 18' carbon fiber rocket) as well as other cat classes.
He wanted a big cruising cat that would point and go fast, thus the Gunboat line is all race design based, where as some of the other 'cruising' cats, are just floating condos and are quite slow and won't point...but you can cram a ton of crap in there, and most people do...and heavy is slow!
What I really like is the Corsair trimarans, the best of both worlds, the stability and speed of a cat, point like a mono, pull the dagger board up you can put it right on the beach, and they fold up to take home with you, no slip fees! He's an F31 going 18 knots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofBLjxw_h2Y
04-09-2015, 10:40 AM
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Not to change the subject but I just finished doing the quarterly CQ and am scratching my head at what they talk about in it versus what has come down as guidance for pushing back from the gate and entering WDR numbers etc. It seems to me in the CQ cd that they want us to vigilant and not be distracted during pushback because it is a high threat maneuver and yet I feel like the guidance that has come down recently has said go ahead and put numbers in during pushback. I don't do that. I either put them in before pushback or after we are stopped with the brakes set and receive the wave off.
Just curious what others think. I will continue to do it my way!
Denny
Just curious what others think. I will continue to do it my way!
Denny
04-09-2015, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Not to change the subject but I just finished doing the quarterly CQ and am scratching my head at what they talk about in it versus what has come down as guidance for pushing back from the gate and entering WDR numbers etc. It seems to me in the CQ cd that they want us to vigilant and not be distracted during pushback because it is a high threat maneuver and yet I feel like the guidance that has come down recently has said go ahead and put numbers in during pushback. I don't do that. I either put them in before pushback or after we are stopped with the brakes set and receive the wave off.
Just curious what others think. I will continue to do it my way!
Denny
Just curious what others think. I will continue to do it my way!
Denny
But seriously, don't you get auto uploads or are you asking about confirming your numbers?
04-09-2015, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I'll tell you in a month and a half.
But seriously, don't you get auto uploads or are you asking about confirming your numbers?
But seriously, don't you get auto uploads or are you asking about confirming your numbers?
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04-09-2015, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
What's "Auto Uploads"?
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Workload and pacing is different on each fleet. I always thought the 330 had auto upload.
04-09-2015, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Not to change the subject but I just finished doing the quarterly CQ and am scratching my head at what they talk about in it versus what has come down as guidance for pushing back from the gate and entering WDR numbers etc. It seems to me in the CQ cd that they want us to vigilant and not be distracted during pushback because it is a high threat maneuver and yet I feel like the guidance that has come down recently has said go ahead and put numbers in during pushback. I don't do that. I either put them in before pushback or after we are stopped with the brakes set and receive the wave off.
Just curious what others think. I will continue to do it my way!
Denny
Just curious what others think. I will continue to do it my way!
Denny
Use the force....
Oops, I mean the bubble......
Any way is cool
04-09-2015, 12:18 PM
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Pushback is the one time the airplane is moving but you are NOT in direct control of it. You can't even hit the brakes, you might break something expensive. Might as well put the data into the box, since you are along for the ride anyway.
BUT, I always have the F/O do it, since I'm the one talking to the tug driver and I like to keep my eyes outside, just to see what's going on. But he can't be doing that AND starting an engine at the same time, so do one or the other, but not both at the same time.
We do get paid by the minute, what's the hurry? If you rush, you will make mistakes and/or miss something... at least that's what I tell my wife when she wants me to mow the lawn.
BUT, I always have the F/O do it, since I'm the one talking to the tug driver and I like to keep my eyes outside, just to see what's going on. But he can't be doing that AND starting an engine at the same time, so do one or the other, but not both at the same time.
We do get paid by the minute, what's the hurry? If you rush, you will make mistakes and/or miss something... at least that's what I tell my wife when she wants me to mow the lawn.
04-09-2015, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Pushback is the one time the airplane is moving but you are NOT in direct control of it. You can't even hit the brakes, you might break something expensive. Might as well put the data into the box, since you are along for the ride anyway.
BUT, I always have the F/O do it, since I'm the one talking to the tug driver and I like to keep my eyes outside, just to see what's going on. But he can't be doing that AND starting an engine at the same time, so do one or the other, but not both at the same time.
We do get paid by the minute, what's the hurry? If you rush, you will make mistakes and/or miss something... at least that's what I tell my wife when she wants me to mow the lawn.
BUT, I always have the F/O do it, since I'm the one talking to the tug driver and I like to keep my eyes outside, just to see what's going on. But he can't be doing that AND starting an engine at the same time, so do one or the other, but not both at the same time.
We do get paid by the minute, what's the hurry? If you rush, you will make mistakes and/or miss something... at least that's what I tell my wife when she wants me to mow the lawn.
Usually there are 4 of us in the cockpit and when I get the numbers, I review them; highlight what I am "thinking of using" and then pass the WDR to the guys in the back. If they agree, then the F/O has the "highlighted" data to insert. If he agrees, he can put the data in while during pushback or at his leisure.
My duties during the pushback are pretty limited. I don't see much of a threat there.
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04-09-2015, 12:55 PM
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I don't like to highlight the numbers, but I'm usually the last guy to touch the paper. The reason I don't like to highlight is, once someone has done that, (usually the first guy to touch it) the next guy who looks at the paper will only look at the highlighted part. I'd rather all 4 of us independently check all the numbers and then decide which numbers we are going to use, then we talk about it.
On the 777 we have lots of 'gotcha' stuff, like is it: APU to Packs, Thrust Bump, flaps 5 or 15, wet or dry, and more, so I look at the gross wt., winds, runway condition, and pad, before I decide which 'reduced' power setting I want to use, and I like a 10,000lb pad, because I've seen too many rampers make 10,000 mistakes on their math.
Then I want all 4 of us to agree on it, before we load it. But on most of my trips, from either DXB or JNB to ATL, it's going to be a full power take off, APU to packs if it's warm, and I'm going to set 174 for flaps 15, or 184 for flaps 5 for V2. If that's not on the paper, something's wrong. Kind of like on the 757 when you just know 142 is going to work.
On the 777 we have lots of 'gotcha' stuff, like is it: APU to Packs, Thrust Bump, flaps 5 or 15, wet or dry, and more, so I look at the gross wt., winds, runway condition, and pad, before I decide which 'reduced' power setting I want to use, and I like a 10,000lb pad, because I've seen too many rampers make 10,000 mistakes on their math.
Then I want all 4 of us to agree on it, before we load it. But on most of my trips, from either DXB or JNB to ATL, it's going to be a full power take off, APU to packs if it's warm, and I'm going to set 174 for flaps 15, or 184 for flaps 5 for V2. If that's not on the paper, something's wrong. Kind of like on the 757 when you just know 142 is going to work.
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