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Old 04-26-2015, 11:04 AM
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Thanks Sailingfun for your response.
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Old 04-26-2015, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
The 717 for RJs also was a rumor that turned out to be true.
Hardly a rumor when the company made numerous public statements about acquiring a 100 seat aircraft long before we even traded openers.
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Old 04-26-2015, 11:49 AM
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My W2 has double since we filed chapter 11 on the same equipment. Many others posted that on here. Delta pilots earned the highest average salaries in the US passenger industry in 2013. In 2014 the numbers will be even better. We also had the highest block hour costs. For such a terrible union quite a recovery from the bankruptcy court!
Maybe yours has doubled since we filed chapter 11 on the same equipment, however, mine has not doubled since 2004 when we started going backwards. And, I am still on the same equipment, too. But, on the bright side, my relative seniority has gotten worse.

Pretty anemic recovery for the industry leading passenger air line. I still need 10% to get to where I starting donating in 2004.

Maybe you are satisfied with where you are today, but I still hold a grudge.
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Old 04-26-2015, 11:52 AM
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Maybe yours has doubled since we filed chapter 11 on the same equipment, however, mine has not doubled since 2004 when we started going backwards. And, I am still on the same equipment, too. But, on the bright side, my relative seniority has gotten worse.

Pretty anemic recovery for the industry leading passenger air line. I still need 10% to get to where I starting donating in 2004.

Maybe you are satisfied with where you are today, but I still hold a grudge.
I know 3500 major grudge holders....
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Old 04-26-2015, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
This seems to come up every few years. It's the way the rules are. PS gets upgrades before NR. Always been that way. Doesn't matter who the PS works for. A newbie Delta PS will also upgrade before anyone else senior to them who is nonreving.

As for their flights, everyone gets priority on their own metal. They are Delta flights is the sense that Delta has "purchased" all the seats on the airplane for it's passengers and allowed them to use a Delta flight number for marketing. As far as everything else is concerned, they are completely separate companies
Their metal that we (delta) mostly purchased.
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Old 04-26-2015, 01:43 PM
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I still hold a grudge.
Not that it matters, but against whom do you hold this grudge?
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Old 04-26-2015, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
It should more properly be called 12.8/4/3 with another half point thrown in this month. You are however correct that when I heard the initial rumors I was for voting no. I even voted no initially. Then I read and viewed everything I could find about the contract including a 2 hour talk with one of the negotiators. Changed my vote.
Aside from the rates virtually everything posted here was wrong or a huge exaggeration about the contract. The only error DALPA made in their projections about the contract was underestimating how well it would turn out.
The contract also broke the logjam for pilot contracts and finally got the ball rolling at AMR and UAL. Had it not passed I think it might be very possible that no contracts would be done and we would just now be getting before the NMB. I like the choice I made in changing my vote and think it has positioned us far better then even I hoped for this contract.
Whoa there. The .55 raise was given because we we not even at industry average. "Trail the industry" was the verbiage from the email. So yeah, C2012 was so awesome we just got another raise to at least be average.
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Old 04-26-2015, 04:52 PM
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Heads UP!

If you are eligible for CQ training in June, you need to get your bids in NOW!

Don't "Forget to Bid!"

This has been a public service announcement.

No animals were harmed in making this announcement.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled b!tch fest. But you can't b!tch about your recurrent schedule if you forgot to bid!
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Old 04-26-2015, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
My W2 has double since we filed chapter 11 on the same equipment.
B.S.

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Delta pilots earned the highest average salaries in the US passenger industry in 2013.
No, we didn't.

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In 2014 the numbers will be even better.
Neither of us knows that.

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We also had the highest block hour costs.
No, we didn't. But we WERE nearly at the top for revenue produced per pilot.

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For such a terrible union quite a recovery from the bankruptcy court!
What this "union" got was nothing more than what management considered the minimum. Management gave the non-union Delta employees much more. In fact, the non-union Delta employees got back to their pre-bankruptcy pay last year.

So yes, our "union's" record was appalling. Even more appalling was how it was governed during C2012.

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Old 04-26-2015, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo View Post
Heads UP!

If you are eligible for CQ training in June, you need to get your bids in NOW!

Don't "Forget to Bid!"

This has been a public service announcement.

No animals were harmed in making this announcement.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled b!tch fest. But you can't b!tch about your recurrent schedule if you forgot to bid!
How do you even do that? Is that a PBS thing or is it done somewhere in iCrew?

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