It's in the reports the company is required to file.
2.25 billion in 2011
2.48 in 2012
2.78 in 2013
2014 looks like tp it will come in above 3. Numbers should be out in a few weeks.

I find it interesting with a straight face you can claim pilot costs have not increased. Manning has not gone down yet Saleries are up almost 21% plus the increases in profit sharing.

 

Where sailingfun? Where in the company's financial reports does it list pilot costs?

Carl

 

Of course, you do. You're ALREADY getting abused by the three Middle Eastern sisters, you've already gone from a very highly compensated profession, to, well... something less. And anywhere you look, there is a mile of crap.

Your mistake was to think that in my analogy, you're watching the movie. Actually, in my analogy you and I, and 12,000 more, are the inmates.

Write the letters, get the books.

 

Do you dispute those numbers Carl?

 

What numbers sailingfun? Exactly what are the numbers you're stating and exactly where are they located in the company's financial reports?

Carl

 

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...20AIRCRAFT.htm

I know you will say the numbers are wrong but they match up with the numbers I have seen going back to 01.
Again anyone with two touching brain cells can look at the increase in hourly rates combined with manning staying the same relative to block hours and know things are not cost neutral. When you add in the increase in PS to be cost Nuetral Delta would have had to furlough several thousand pilots.

 

Tough. Let those labor busting idiots choke on them and then we can swoop in and pick up the orders for cheap and fly them ourselves.

 

There is a LOT of heat on IMEX even being renewed at all. While its more or less a partisan issue (most dems and a few neocons uniting behind it as a crony capitalist slush fund jobs program) there's over 200 congressional signatures already in favor of our call to action on it, with a large percentage of dems as well. It is VERY much in jeopardy. We have a very good chance of either killing it entirely or at least taking the emerati's Bank of Boeing welfare check out of it. That'll be funny too, because while they talk smack about "taking our planes back" (empty threat) if they ever did move to penalize us in any way, things would not work out well for them. Their biggest stick would be to lock us out of their bases which provide the vast majority of their regional defense.

We need to keep the pressure up but its looking like we have a good chance of taking those megalomaniacs down a few notches.

 

I know it's likely everyone sees this, but notice how sailingfun starts off with stating pilot costs from forms computed by Delta, but ends up showing the same discredited MIT study as his source.

Then sailingfun discusses how contract 2012 vastly increased pilots costs by gathering data from an outside study that...ends in 2013.

Here's what the sailingfun's refuse to admit: We made some gains in pay rates in C2012, but we also agreed to significant concessions that offset those pay rate gains. It offset it to the point where Ed and Richard called the pilot's contract cost neutral and the additional savings could be used to invest in initiatives that benefit other employee groups at Delta.

Carl

 

What were those concessions Carl? It was not manning. It is obvious to anyone who can read the monthly reports from crew planning or just pick up the phone and call crew planning.
I think it really bothers you that ALPA nailed it with the timing on contract 2012 putting us in a near perfect position for this contract.
You would have preferred that we were mired in the NMB process like so many other airlines so you could puch your DPA agenda.