Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-18-2009 | 02:09 PM
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I'm sorry did I miss something ? I didn't know that we had furloughed, I thought the company was keeping extra pilots around for the last year because they love us.
11-18-2009 | 02:16 PM
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They kept us fat because of the flowdown... $$$$.
slow- all the jcba did was just combine the allowed number of aircraft. Oh, and they also screwed up the "bathtub rim" language that the required the LOA last fall.
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11-18-2009 | 02:16 PM
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BTW, the DAL pilot DB set the record as far as I know for the lowest funded plan on record, the ONLY plan that I'm aware of that went into liquidity shortfall because the fund balance was dropping so fast, and one of the largest plans to EVER fail. To say that ALPA gave it away is complete BS.
Now, back to your regularly schedule ALPA bashing....
11-18-2009 | 02:26 PM
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I'll let slow take a breather. He's got real work to do. A longer payout may or may not have saved the pension, because of the lump sum feature. Furthermore, a longer payout wasn't a legally permissible option until Congressional legislation approved it, and our plan was terminated before it could take advantage of that. And there wasn't a thing ALPA could have done to prevent that.
BTW, the DAL pilot DB set the record as far as I know for the lowest funded plan on record, the ONLY plan that I'm aware of that went into liquidity shortfall because the fund balance was dropping so fast, and one of the largest plans to EVER fail. To say that ALPA gave it away is complete BS.
Now, back to your regularly schedule ALPA bashing....
BTW, the DAL pilot DB set the record as far as I know for the lowest funded plan on record, the ONLY plan that I'm aware of that went into liquidity shortfall because the fund balance was dropping so fast, and one of the largest plans to EVER fail. To say that ALPA gave it away is complete BS.
Now, back to your regularly schedule ALPA bashing....
I am pro ALPA and the process, what I am not for is managing expectations. It is not good that expectations are getting managed prior to anything being signed. It should be the input phase in the process. I am giving input since I am not in office! If I was I would be writing every suggestion I hear or read down. I also would like to see a more transparent process.
IMHO JJ has it right. The more transparent the less of a chance you have for a DFR issue because they could have provided input though out the entire transparent process.
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11-18-2009 | 02:31 PM
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My question is why are the usual suspects on here managing expectations? What is coming, they only show up when there is going to be a party.
As for Lee and Co. I think that overall they have done a decent job. I have stated that. Where they stink is the communications department. Part of that IMHO is by design of these NDA's. Either way, communication on the issues and our direction on the issues needs to get a lot better. Period.
I think that give facts, not all of them, but enough to make an informed decision, would unify this group more than we have now!
As for Lee and Co. I think that overall they have done a decent job. I have stated that. Where they stink is the communications department. Part of that IMHO is by design of these NDA's. Either way, communication on the issues and our direction on the issues needs to get a lot better. Period.
I think that give facts, not all of them, but enough to make an informed decision, would unify this group more than we have now!
11-18-2009 | 02:33 PM
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Slow,
We would like some more visibility. The posted minutes of the last meeting were nothing more than an agenda and you hide behind very convienient NDAs. The DALPA boards are by your own admission patrolled by trolls who add nothing to the discussion so we come here for a little free flow exchange of ideas.
If some of them work, great but telling us we don't have all of the facts while adamantly refusing to let us have any of them won't fly. If your scared of lawsuits, hire better attorneys and sue back!
We would like some more visibility. The posted minutes of the last meeting were nothing more than an agenda and you hide behind very convienient NDAs. The DALPA boards are by your own admission patrolled by trolls who add nothing to the discussion so we come here for a little free flow exchange of ideas.
If some of them work, great but telling us we don't have all of the facts while adamantly refusing to let us have any of them won't fly. If your scared of lawsuits, hire better attorneys and sue back!
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11-18-2009 | 02:34 PM
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Slow, the idea is to deal the cards face up to your pilots. That is the way we need to do it. NDA's and all we are a smart group led by capable people, but the pilots feel a disconnect from their union leadership. This should at a min. concern you.
11-18-2009 | 02:34 PM
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From: Dismayed
Spoke with a CP today, apparently we've gone from being fat for the winter on pilot manning and being a little over for the summer schedule to being "tight" for next summer. Since we all know mother D staffs for the summer, maybe we'll see them fire up the hiring again soon.
11-18-2009 | 02:36 PM
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I'll let slow take a breather. He's got real work to do. A longer payout may or may not have saved the pension, because of the lump sum feature. Furthermore, a longer payout wasn't a legally permissible option until Congressional legislation approved it, and our plan was terminated before it could take advantage of that. And there wasn't a thing ALPA could have done to prevent that.
BTW, the DAL pilot DB set the record as far as I know for the lowest funded plan on record, the ONLY plan that I'm aware of that went into liquidity shortfall because the fund balance was dropping so fast, and one of the largest plans to EVER fail. To say that ALPA gave it away is complete BS.
Now, back to your regularly schedule ALPA bashing....
BTW, the DAL pilot DB set the record as far as I know for the lowest funded plan on record, the ONLY plan that I'm aware of that went into liquidity shortfall because the fund balance was dropping so fast, and one of the largest plans to EVER fail. To say that ALPA gave it away is complete BS.
Now, back to your regularly schedule ALPA bashing....
My simple point was that there were options that we could have looked at. Personally, I much prefer a DC than a DB. I would not wish the retirement issues many are having on anyone.
11-18-2009 | 02:40 PM
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We're getting more, so your statement doesn't jive with the facts.
As far as the company affording it, they've offered borrowed money for some of the assets of JAL. They're also contracted to give you 5% more in pay and DC in 6 weeks while the company is losing money....
As far as the company affording it, they've offered borrowed money for some of the assets of JAL. They're also contracted to give you 5% more in pay and DC in 6 weeks while the company is losing money....
The company's capital structure is not DALPA's problem.
Everything around here is "borrowed money". Clearly Anderson doesn't have a problem with our debt/equity ratio or he'd be paying off loans instead of buying foreign airlines.
As far as my 5% more in 6 weeks, thank you for that but I'm still down a million or so in the last few years.
You may be satisfied with where we are but I'm not.
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