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Old 05-21-2015 | 05:45 AM
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"PR" (Partial RES day):

Let's say you're Payback Day ends and you start long-call at 1800. What's the earliest you can be assigned a rotation?

1800+12 (or +10 for SC), correct?
Old 05-21-2015 | 05:55 AM
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What is this thread? "The Latest & Greatest ways to bash the ATL88A's"? Thinking I might need to change my base and/or position..Starting to get a complex

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Old 05-21-2015 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I certainly concur with your first paragraph regarding the list decade and stagnation. Why do you say a 16-17 year FO "has little hope" of moving beyond narrowbody domestic FO?

Any of them can now hold widebody FO (at the least) and with lots of retirements coming that will only get better... even if long overdue.
I am just repeating what I hear. Most say with PBS their relative seniority is worse and those trips would suck. I agree things should start to improve IF we hold the line on JV/Codeshare agreements.
Old 05-21-2015 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
Had a total touchdown of a guy on a trip last week. He was on a 4 day GS, and he insisted on buying everything-- I couldn't force a beer on him or get the tips even. He even paid the cab driver tip and wouldn't let me! Topped it off by taking all the Flt Att out for dinner with us one night.

Never seen such a thing in 14 years; his answer when refusing to let me pay for anything was "Nope. Someday you'll be on a GS... pay it forward."

Besides all that, great guy and funnny, laughed the whole time. Just thought I should post up the "good guys" that are out there too.


Originally Posted by forgot to bid
So we need the opposite of the TOTD thread. (And)/Or maybe an award.
+1

I was just thinking these same things yesterday. It's very nice, and refreshing, to hear about the good guys/gals. Roadkill's post/experience fits the bill perfectly. Such good people should be celebrated and recognized as being part of the solution, not the problem.

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Old 05-21-2015 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by caddis
Can we do a swap with the pot that will conflict with trips in 2 bid months? I want to swap a trip next week that will extend into June and conflict with a trip there. Not sure how to do it
You can always pick up time in current month. It will drop conflicting trips in next bid period. Can be used craftily to drop a next month trip. That's using a white slip.

Not sure about the pot swap.
Old 05-21-2015 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
It's the lost decade. I fly with a lot of guys who are stagnated in this very position. They are resentful of the stagnation. It makes for an unhappy person.

I fly with a lot of 16 to17 year FO's who are not even in the top 10% of seniority in their category. They have little hope of moving up beyond the narrowbody domestic category.

I know the noise in the cockpit effects all of us. We are always yelling at one another.

If you think ATL narrowbody has a lot of weirdness, you should have flown in DFW. There was some serious strangeness going on in DFW.
You couldn't possibly be talking about FCAP?
Old 05-21-2015 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
Dude,

I(We)have a very good job that pays well, requires almost no "home work", is very low stress (at least to me) and only requires my presence about 12-16 days a month. I get 5 weeks a vacation and have a sick leave policy that allowed me to have shoulder surgery and stay home to rehab, and I lost NO PAY!

Yeah, I've paid my dues and have been at it since college and the AF, but I consider myself lucky and blessed to have the career and the future retirement that I have.(Hired at 29 in a good time certainly helped) Most of my friends would trade me in a second!

Good on ya for branching out and having other careers and options. I always felt my best career path was this one.
I'm with you Cog, this is a great career path for all of us. It is my profession of choice by a wide margin. Looking at the ups and downs of this profession over the last 30 years from both the outside and the inside though didn't leave me the luxury of making it the only option.

Many friends were furloughed, thousands of co-workers lost pensions, many lost houses, cars, wives, etc over the uncertainties in this industry. Thousands of us lost five years of upgrades during a time when we planned on putting aside extra for retirement. We are all one doctor visit away from long term unemployment. The level of risk in our collectively preferred careers dictates we also have prudent backup plans.
Old 05-21-2015 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
What is this thread? "The Latest & Greatest ways to bash the ATL88A's"? Thinking I might need to change my base and/or position..Starting to get a complex

Nerd ATL88A
you might have missed my earlier post but I was very clear in the middle of it:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

But what I tell atl88 newbies who talk to me about it is that when you fly with a good 88 captain, his name is Nerd. And hes what is normal and good about this airline which is indicative of the rest of the Captains on airline pilot central forumicators.
Old 05-21-2015 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I certainly concur with your first paragraph regarding the list decade and stagnation. Why do you say a 16-17 year FO "has little hope" of moving beyond narrowbody domestic FO?

Any of them can now hold widebody FO (at the least) and with lots of retirements coming that will only get better... even if long overdue.
For many of us, what Herkflyr says is true. Widebody FO IS a possibility now (as is narrowbody CA) if you want to:
1. Commute
2. Go back to the bottom 20% or so of the category.
3. Give up what little relative seniority you have scraped together so far.

For me personally, I'm not bitter at all. I choose to be happy. I'm content to stick it out where I am and look forward to the day when I crack the top 25% or so of my category and base. I have no desire to commute and have told myself I was going to stay put until I finally find out what it is like to be fairly senior in my seat. After that happens, I'll consider widebody FO or narrowbody CA upgrade. If retirement comes first....so be it. With all of the retirements and hiring it should get better. I hope so. So far not much has changed where I sit. At least I've finally cracked the 50% mark. This reply is not a "woe is me" response. Just want to make sure nobody gets "out of touch" by assuming everything is unicorns and rainbows now that we are retiring and hiring again.
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Shoo! Feel much better now



Originally Posted by forgot to bid
you might have missed my earlier post but I was very clear in the middle of it:
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