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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1905343)

+1.

If this thing fails (And I PRAY it does) EVERY rep that voted to send it to a membership vote SHOULD/MUST submit a pro document, explaining why they sent it out to a vote, OR ELSE they should resign.

Petition anyone?

I believe that is appropriate.

Shirley if there are enough guys/gals filling out DPA cards to force a vote, there will be enough votes to vote this down!?!

Denny

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1905357)

Shirley if there are enough guys/gals filling out DPA cards to force a vote, there will be enough votes to vote this down!?!

Denny

I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way, to be clear...

Do you really think this will be enough of a push to force a vote?

(I'm not putting in a card, personally)

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1905368)

I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way, to be clear...

Do you really think this will be enough of a push to force a vote?

(I'm not putting in a card, personally)

I don't know the answer to that but it sure seems like a lot of new/renewed cards are going in...

Denny

Mine is as soon as I can. Let it expire hoping ALPA would change their ways of doing business but alas, they have not.

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 1905300)

I don't know labor law, just repeating what I was told. JS yesterday was a Delta CA who used to be on a regional MEC. He told us the MEC is forbidden by law from recommending a no vote. They can't trash the agreement.

Like I say, not a labor lawyer.

Same thing happened to Pinnacle a few years ago with a crap TA1 that was put to the pilots for vote, they (ALPA) tried to sell the crap sandwich to the pilots via roadshows, it also was the company's last, best and final offer. At the roadshows everyone could tell the MEC chairman and a few others were not in favor of the TA, however they couldn't come out and say vote no, but it was pretty obvious they torpedoed the TA and it got voted down by the pilots. Looking back, we should have probably voted yes for that TA, we would made a lot more money and been way better off then waiting 6+ years for a contract.

You're comparing apples and marshmallows.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1905318)

Absolutely incredible. This is the kind of answers people will be getting at the road shows. This MEC administration will stop at nothing to get this passed. Nothing.

Carl

And most of the MEC, or they would stop it.

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Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1905309)

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20051112001744

Let us take a walk down memory lane, to the time Compass got kicked out of the DL MEC and Moak & Co billed us six figures for "services rendered" over the previous two years even though we'd been operating on a shoestring budget with miniscule amounts of FPL (As JSC, I couldn't even get bought off a 3-day trip to attend the national jumpseat conference). Our pilot coordinator / interim MEC chairman wished to communicate our dire financial situation with the membership at large. He was repeatedly prevented from doing so by ALPA lawyers. We dug our way out of the hole and built up a decent war chest for our first negotiations thanks to the stewardship of our first MEC & particularly the sec-treas - but the membership never did learn the details other than through back channels.

I have no trouble believing LEC reps are being given a gag order.

While I certainly believe your story above may have happened ( it sounds credible), your old MEC chair was not LEGALLY prohibited from communicating with his pilots. Sounds to me like he was given, and followed, bad legal advice.

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1905357)

Shirley if there are enough guys/gals filling out DPA cards to force a vote, there will be enough votes to vote this down!?!

Denny

Yes, yes there will.

And don't call me Shirley. :eek: :D

You know you've wanted to see it, so here it is!