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Old 09-16-2015 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Actions such as this may have unforeseen results. While I don't begrudge anyone good fortune, I think this will have the effect of galvanizing the pilots.
Can you say labor risk on the table?
Old 09-16-2015 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
I think that was one of the options that was discussed. The Company did this to achieve three things. To put a stop to unionization activity, avoid 3b4 being triggered, and to poke a stick in our eye.

Actions such as this may have unforeseen results. While I don't begrudge anyone good fortune, I think this will have the effect of galvanizing the pilots.
How does this avoid 3B4? Looks like it would trigger about a 1 % pay increase for us if i'm looking at it right.
Old 09-16-2015 | 07:09 AM
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I know there will be the usual comments 'slap in the face' 'insulting' etc... regarding non contract pay raises. Really? Come on... Keep in mind that we were offered practically the same thing in our TA. We elected to stick with what we've got, and to reorganize our bargaining agent, which is in process and can't be engaged until that process is complete. I'm glad that this will help trigger 3.b raises if available, that keeps us in the game. This non contract raise shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We'll get ours when we get our act together again and return to negotiating. The key though will be to avoid the concessions and improve the important areas that were not addressed. Be glad for your fellow employees, and look forward to our raises that we deserve and will achieve. This only helps our cause. And keep in mind, our profit sharing will outpace theirs if we don't complete the process in a timely manner, and we will be getting raises through 3.b possibly as well.
Old 09-16-2015 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
NFW. There is no way anyone here is getting a double-digit pay raise in a single year, including us.
Guess I should eat my words. Never figured the Flt attendants and ground staff would get such a deal. Maybe we use "Me Too" off them for once...
Old 09-16-2015 | 08:27 AM
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3.b4 is a rolling 18 months, and it was just triggered in April wasn't it? Does that mean we won't be able to take advantage of this raise?
Old 09-16-2015 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think you will find this is incorrect. Our contract does not cover other employees. The method for determining our payout assigned a value to the non contract employees as part of the formula. The company is not required to pay it.
Well, based on today's announcement, I clearly was incorrect....

Your viewpoint (the contract determines the method of valuation, not the required payment) is one that hadn't occurred to me, and may have merit (at least so far as the company is applying it goes...)--but that's not how I read it.

Golly, imprecise/weak language in our PWA??
Old 09-16-2015 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Guess I should eat my words. Never figured the Flt attendants and ground staff would get such a deal. Maybe we use "Me Too" off them for once...
Two's in! Amazing
Old 09-16-2015 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
I know there will be the usual comments 'slap in the face' 'insulting' etc... regarding non contract pay raises. Really? Come on... Keep in mind that we were offered practically the same thing in our TA. We elected to stick with what we've got, and to reorganize our bargaining agent, which is in process and can't be engaged until that process is complete. I'm glad that this will help trigger 3.b raises if available, that keeps us in the game. This non contract raise shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We'll get ours when we get our act together again and return to negotiating. The key though will be to avoid the concessions and improve the important areas that were not addressed. Be glad for your fellow employees, and look forward to our raises that we deserve and will achieve. This only helps our cause. And keep in mind, our profit sharing will outpace theirs if we don't complete the process in a timely manner, and we will be getting raises through 3.b possibly as well.
Even if it did trigger 3b4 our paise raise would be zero since we currently match the UAL/AMR average.
Old 09-16-2015 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
I know there will be the usual comments 'slap in the face' 'insulting' etc... regarding non contract pay raises. Really? Come on... Keep in mind that we were offered practically the same thing in our TA.
I'm certainly happy for my fellow Delta employees. The "slap" comes from a 1 Dec pay raise to avoid 3B4. A 1 Jan pay raise that coincides with the PS change would have been more appropriate. I'm curious what the financial models show as the actual increase in compensation. Any word on that yet?
Old 09-16-2015 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Guess I should eat my words. Never figured the Flt attendants and ground staff would get such a deal. Maybe we use "Me Too" off them for once...
If they got this raise just by threatening to vote in a Union, can you imagine the restorations we could achieve, if we just threatened to take off our backpacks?
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