You still get trip guarantee, you lose the per diem at block in of the last leg worked as scheduled

 

Just to clarify, if you are a line holder you do not need permission to deviate front end, you only need to inform within 24 hours. A reserve pilot must get permission.

edit: btw, check out the top of page 16 of the scheduling reference handbook in regard to taking a different flight. I'm pretty sure you're legal and covered if you comply with sections 8.E.8 8.E.5 of the contract. The contract is the contract, it doesn't matter how important the flight is. If you comply with the contract then you should be covered if the unexpected occurs.

 

Wondering what the collective brain trust might think about the relative merits of NYC 717 vs 88 for a noob.

I live in MSP, so I want to get there ASAP; but it seems to me that the current trend is leaning towards taking a year plus to get awarded MSP.

Would I get senior quicker in NYC on the 88 or the 717? Or is it a wash? I'm thinking the seat that leads to the fastest route to holding a line will make my life as a commuter more bearable for that year plus. I was perusing the Apr bid package and the 717 has more MSP overnights which, with seniority, would be nice trips to have as a commuter.

Obviously no 717 in MSP, so maybe that trumps everything. Anything besides the 717 or 88 is out of the picture for me, as my ranking in my newhire class will have me in the solid bottom few choosers, so it's probably a moot point anyway.

 

If you are going to have to commute anyway, I'd say the bad dog. It builds character (at least that's what they say and chicks will dig you) and you stand the best chance of getting to MSP sooner, plus you are already trained.

 

Thanks guys,

Yeah I actually held a nice Asia trip as a shadow bid when there were extra trips above the usual suspects who bid them. So, I've got my fingers crossed for April.

As the old heads around here will remember, Saipan was my usual hangout before I became a Busboy and am looking forward to getting back. I did see all the typhoon damage from news footage after it hit and Beach Road looked like it got hit hard, so I'm sure Garapan and it's hotels took a nasty hit.

While Saipan is much more 3rd world than Guam I preferred it, Guam is too commercial and probably why the Saipan tourist are drying up. As a point of comparison, at one time there was evening service from NRT, NGO and KIX.....PLUS a beach whale (all coach seating main deck) that did a turn out of NRT during the daytime hours.

Ferd

 

You can move it to any flight that complies with our contract which basically says that for a domestic flight you have to arrive at least 1 hour prior to your first non-DH leg, or 1+30 prior for your first non-DH leg if it is an Ocean crossing.

Note: You are required to pro-actively notify scheduling within 24 hours of your original report.

No back-up required, however you may want to give yourself a back-up for your own piece of mind. Here is the contractual wording from our contract, section 8 Dead-head:



E. Off-Rotation Deadheads
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17 1. A regular pilot may utilize an off-rotation deadhead at the beginning or end of a rotation.
18 2. A regular pilot is required to notify Crew Scheduling of an off-rotation deadhead at the
19 beginning of a rotation within the 24 hours preceding the report of the scheduled
20 deadhead segment.
21 3. A reserve pilot may utilize an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation. He may
22 utilize an off-rotation deadhead at the beginning of a rotation only with permission from
23 Crew Scheduling.
24 4. A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation is required to give
25 prior notification to Crew Scheduling. Such notice must be given as soon as possible
26 after the arrival of the pilot’s last flying segment prior to his scheduled deadhead. Such
27 notice will be given via a voice response unit (VRU) or, at pilot option, via a call to Crew
28 Scheduling.
29 5. A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the beginning of a rotation is required to
30 report for duty at the departure airport of the first non-deadhead segment as follows:
31 a. one hour before the scheduled departure time of the first non-deadhead segment, or
32 b. one hour and 30 minutes before the scheduled departure time of the first non33
deadhead segment if that segment includes an ocean crossing.
34 6. The maximum on-duty time of a pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the
35 beginning of his rotation will be determined using the report in Section 8 E. 5., or, if the
36 pilot is given prior notice, the adjusted time.
37 7. The in-base break-in-duty under Section 12 G. for a pilot who utilizes an off-rotation
38 deadhead at the end of a rotation will be determined using the scheduled release of such
39 rotation.
40 8. A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead to travel from his base, or from a domestic
41 airport or an airport in the Hawaiian Islands (other than his base), in the vicinity of his
42 permanent residence at the beginning of a rotation will be provided positive space on-line
43 transportation if:
44 a. Company Business travel can be booked in TravelNet without overbooking,
45 b. the routing does not pass through the pilot’s base,
46 c. the routing does not exceed the number of deadhead segments originally scheduled


Additionally If I was on probation I would have a back-up because you want to keep as low a profile as possible. In my opinion I would not want to highlight myself in any way, even If I was in compliance with the contract.

Scoop

 

I don't believe this is true. You do not lose any credit or time whenever you take your dh home.
Also I believe you keep your Perdiem as well on backend deviations.

If you do the back in deviation on Icrew it cancels your hotel and let's you pick a different flight. My rotations only show a difference in front end deviations not back end.

 

I believe the FOM says that you need a backup if your originally scheduled DH provided one. I can't look up right now, kinda top of my head.

 

You lose the per diem when you deviate, back end or front end:

8.10: Effect on per diem

a. When a pilot utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the beginning of a rotation, his time away from base begins at the later of his actual report or the scheduled report under Section 8 E. 5.
b. When a pilot utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation, his time away from base ends upon his release from his last non-deadhead segment.

 

Well, I stand corrected. It's worth the more home time though for me, so I don't usually consider that.

I did see this while looking in the contract about front end deviations, basically if you had a backup via company reservation, then your deviation should as well:

the routing is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report under Section 8 E. 5., and
the routing provides for a subsequent flight that is scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his required report under Section 8 E. 5. if the pilot’s originally scheduled routing provided for such a subsequent flight.