"Just say NO until I get what I want is not a strategy". Not a wise or mature one anyway. You young guys can wait all you want, but with over half the seniority list over age 50 I doubt that will be very popular. You were at least right when you said the worst they can do is park us. Don't want that. Ill take a reasonable contract sooner rather than waste year after year swinging for the fences.

But Im not Babe Ruth like you are. Except you don't seem to realize that you don't have a stick to swing with.

Look around. Nobody gets to strike anymore. PEB is what you can expect. Threat of labor unrest? Inflatable rat? Puhleez.

We have an opportunity to make solid gains if we are realistic. Fortunately the majority of Delta pilots are sensible about these things, because the majority have been around long enough to see many, many, contract negotiations.

I'm not interested in holding my breath until I turn blue. That didn't work when I was 0-5, and it won't work when I'm 5-0.

 

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Why? Did you do the math?

 

With zero leadership from ALPA and folks like you who don't realize they have a stick in their hand when in fact they do, we are in trouble. Why are people like you so intent on taking the first deal, rather than voting no, sending it back, and making a few things better. That is negotiating. All of you first deal takers have destroyed the horsepower of a union, and comments like the one you made about your age make you sound selfish. Which, you have your right to be......but 12,500 selfish individuals does not make a union.

A one time no vote would probably be the healthiest thing that could happen for the entire ALPA/pilot group/MGT relationship.

 

This.

It would send shock waves through the complacency. If PS is touched, if there are no meaningful gains, I would expect it.

 

Myopic: 3. lacking tolerance or understanding; narrow-minded.

Describes you aptly. That's coming from someone from the 50 and older demographic that you characterize according to your own personal perceptions of yourself. It's extremely arrogant to believe that everyone else subscribes to your beliefs.

Now that we have established that:

Saying NO to a substandard TENTATIVE agreement is not only a strategy but a necessity. It's not holding ones breath and stomping their feet in a tantrum until they get what they want.

It's business and just that.

If it doesn't meet OUR collective needs, it needs to be sent back with direction and clear information as to why and how it needs to be modified.

Afraid of getting "parked" !?!

Ignorant statement at best, more a proclamation designed to fan the flames of FUD, especially with the exaggerative description wasting "year after year swinging for the fences."

Who exactly are you so terrified of getting parked by? Again, tell us when the amendable date of the current contract is?




Again, your ignorance is glaring.

First, your perceptions about PEBs are wrong. They don't preclude a strike at all. 100% wrong.

Furthermore, a strike isn't the leverage that works in a situation like this anyway. However, then again you know that. Perhaps if you don't, be rest as sutured that 98 percent of the pilots at Delta do know that.

Finally, where you have completely come off the rails is your idea of reasonable.

Another 4-8-3-3 quick TVM cram down is NOT reasonable in this revenue and profit environment. Particularly when it's coupled with the glaring fact that our BK concessions have not been restored after a whole decade.

Solid gains are what the pilots reasonably want as indicated by our survey responses. It IS realistic to achieve them, quite notably now that Delta has determined that they have enough free cash flow to reward the share holders and the share holding management folks with $ 6 billion dollars in share buy backs and dividends.

 

Flamer, we're not bargaining for a used car. Your strategy of always voting no on the "first" deal is naive. Sending back an agreement between mgmt and the MEC doesn't make things "better", it just rearranges the deck chairs. That is negotiating.

I've seen lots and lots of guys like you. Angry at ALPA. Angry at the company. Angry at everyone who doesn't see the value in a puffed up, testosterone filled, confrontation.

Im tired of that. And you're wrong, it's not healthy for any relationship. Check with your wife or mother in law if you don't believe me.

While you are at it, check with all your fellow pilots with 5 to 10 years left (i.e. most of us) and see how accommodating they are to a long drawn out "horsepower" contest. And check with any former AirTran and Comair pilots about how you can really "show 'em" by being stubborn.

I say all this only because I've seen your kind of crusading in advanceof the facts before, and I know how it turns out.

 

So, you present that as an absolute hard fact. Then back it up with some sort of example or proof and be sure to document or footnote your work. Furthermore, I submit that you are completely wrong on that statement.

Why do you suppose that is?