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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 717312)
The NYC pilots are being told to expect the 777 category to close with the time moving to Detroit. Thats the bad news. The good news is that they expect half the current ATL 767-400 time to move to NYC also in this bid. Thats a large displacement of flying from ATL. Originally the plan was that this loss of time would be offset with A330 time moving down to ATL. Training constraints however have caused the company to put the A330 move on hold until at least next fall and perhaps longer. I live in the SE and am not expecting this bid to be a happy one for ATL. There could be some offsets to the 400 time leaving with a increase in domestic 767 flying. There is however a possibility of some of the ATL 777 time also going to DTW. One thing I have learned however is that until the bid is posted anything can happen. I once had a CP hand me a preliminary copy of a bid on a Thursday that would be out the next morning on Friday. The Friday bid did not bear even the slightest resemblance to the Thurday advance copy.
Last I heard funding was approved and we were considering buying the sim in Manchester. Don't know if we would leave it there or move it to the Frozen Wastelands of Minnesnowta. The other alternative is to buy a brand new sim from Thales. Heard that takes a year to build and get certified. Edit: Blah , just saw someone posted this earlier except we won't lease MIA sim time anymore as the sim was not maintained very well (at the Airbus Training Center no less). We had to threaten to have the feds de-certify it at one point to get them to fix the damn thing. |
Originally Posted by Nosmo King
(Post 717327)
The A330 training will be backlogged until we buy a second sim. One of the worst hull:simulator ratios in the industry.
Last I heard funding was approved and we were considering buying the sim in Manchester. Don't know if we would leave it there or move it to the Frozen Wastelands of Minnesnowta. The other alternative is to buy a brand new sim from Thales. Heard that takes a year to build and get certified. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 717306)
I have a question about reserve. I just finished OE a few days ago. I am supposed to sit reserve tomorrow. I just looked at the reserve list and I am not on it. I don't want to get burned, but I do not want to get put on the list if I do not have to. When I call the VRU at 3pm, do I actually have to talk to a scheduler? What option should I put in to get my call logged yet still remain off the list. No reason to commute in if I'm not on short-call. Would I be better off just checking on the computer? If I do it this way, how do I make sure the system records my log? As someone extremely unfamiliar to the Delta system, what would you guys do in this situation?
Even when they junior assign people, it's via an automated voice on the telephone. It also comes up on caller ID. |
Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 717225)
Heyas,
Management will move with lightning speed to move people into lower paying positions for furlough or whatever other reason when it suits their need. But in the interest of spirited debate, here are the pros-cons: AE System: Pros: LONG lead time protects your position if you want to stay put...sort of, since the company can "convert" you at their whim. Company controls the timing anyway. Cons: Long lead time. If you want to change positions, you better have your mind made up. Occasional bids makes it difficult to plan moves. No real gouge on what people are going to do. "Pent up demand" means people are going to go all over the place. Discourages same category base swapping. No real way to predict when you go to training. No real way to start banking the new pay rate (might work in your favor, though). If you fall off to reserve or other undesirable QoL malady, no short term way to bail out to something you can hold a line or better QoL on. Oh yea, they can "cancel" the bid after you get it..."sorry, just kidding" APA System Pros: Predictable Easy to see which way the wind is blowing Easy to predict when you'll be in training. Permits sharp shooting holidays/summers/etc. You know exactly when the position is effective. Permits base swapping on a monthly basis. Easy to bail out of a suddenly undesirable QoL situation You get awarded it, you own it: Once awarded, company must displace you. Cons: During stagnant times, the bottom positions in each category/base may "flux", leading to "bouncing positions" (although this can be resolved by bidding something you can reliably hold...if any). Easy for the company to rapidly flush people to the bottom, although I'm not sure how the AE system prevents this, since the company controls when they happen. Oh yea, "what am I willing to give up to get this?". Not a damn thing. The company owes us some serious bank, and this is just one way to start collecting. Nu The APA system was something management wanted from ALPA. It helps immensely with the planning and scheduling of training and also for short term staffing needs that cannot be covered by flex/increase of monthly max (think 3 months of Olympics or World Cup or some other periodic marketing opportunity). It also gives pilots more certainty about when they would be "converted." Many pilots did not want to train in the summer vacation months so they would avoid bidding APA's that had "effective dates" in the summer. APA is published every month for training that will be accomplished 3 or 4 months later. See I already forgot how many months in advance it was, but it was a fixed time frame. If the company didnt have you trained or in training by then, you got to sit at home and get paid. fNWA had something similar to AE before APA. I think you would be hard pressed to find many fNWA that prefer the old pre-APA system. Don't give up anything to get it because there is no need. It's clearly something that benefits management/training department. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 717311)
How do I do that? Do I just go to the page where it is all reserve with the X days?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 717030)
From a very good source the plan to move some 330 time to ATL is on hold because NWA has limited simulators available for the training that would be involved. Perhaps a former NWA pilot can add to this but it appears that NW only had enough sim capacity to accomplish annual training and attrition for the A330. A massive rebid would require leasing huge blocks of outside sim time which is expensive at the moment. They will cover the Atlanta flying with deadheads and 9 and 12 day trips instead of moving the time.
Yes the bid is going to be brutal for Atlanta. |
Not saying this is accurate, but years ago there was a rumor that Boeing would take 330 trade-ins for new 777 customers.
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
(Post 717341)
I was told moving to the DAL PWA created an additional shortfall of sim time for all the fNWA fleets due to the number of periods allowed to be used for training. Something about the DAL PWA having one LESS usable sim period per day.
I think under the NWA PWA, we could not be scheduled for the S5 (2200-0200) or S6 (0200-0600...mostly used for sim mx anyway) periods. I certainly have had my share of S1s (0600-1000) with a 0500 brief. They were good for scooting on home early, but brual in the DC-9 sims where you needed to have your brain engaged from the get-go. When I was an instructor, the S3 was the best. Sleep in, slide through Caribou on the way to NATCO, then a quick sandwich at the cafeteria and catch up with buds (I swear, 1999-2001 I saw everyone I ever knew in aviation at any point slide through NATCO...or so it seemed). The new-hires were always great to work with. Motivated, ready, but just a bit uptight...it took 2-3 sims of me saying "this is training, not checking, so RELAX". Shame we gave those jobs away, too. Nu |
Originally Posted by Nosmo King
(Post 717341)
I was told moving to the DAL PWA created an additional shortfall of sim time for all the fNWA fleets due to the number of periods allowed to be used for training. Something about the DAL PWA having one LESS usable sim period per day.
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
(Post 717335)
The APA system was something management wanted from ALPA. It helps immensely with the planning and scheduling of training and also for short term staffing needs that cannot be covered by flex/increase of monthly max (think 3 months of Olympics or World Cup or some other periodic marketing opportunity).
It also gives pilots more certainty about when they would be "converted." Many pilots did not want to train in the summer vacation months so they would avoid bidding APA's that had "effective dates" in the summer. APA is published every month for training that will be accomplished 3 or 4 months later. See I already forgot how many months in advance it was, but it was a fixed time frame. If the company didnt have you trained or in training by then, you got to sit at home and get paid. fNWA had something similar to AE before APA. I think you would be hard pressed to find many fNWA that prefer the old pre-APA system. Don't give up anything to get it because there is no need. It's clearly something that benefits management/training department. I find it hard to believe that management wanted the APA system. Why tie there own hands. They can make the AE system function exactly the same as the APA system if they so desire. They can post a montly bid and convert in 120 days. Why ask for something you already have? In reality they have consistantly asked for and sadly been granted longer and longer conversion periods. That is how they now have the one bid per year they can extend to a entire year. They fought hard for that. Your saying they asked to give it up? |
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