I can tell you that a CP confirmed the BOS rumor as a possibility. (Long term)

Cvg Er?
 

Had my last recurrent with Terry as my partner and he explained it to me exactly as Dragon related above. Said he presented it to RA and he wanted to know how much it would cost us. T.O. told him appx. $1mil and we would recoup that in about 18 months given the historical average of air returns. After that, it becomes a cost savings on hotels.

Now, I agree with the point about DTW, so that may make this all a moot point anyway.

Somewhat of a bummer because I often find CVG an easier option for non-revving over to the few intn'l destinations it serves, as opposed to JFK.

Lots of pilots try and make business cases for moving aircraft where they would prefer to see them. CP's offices often try and preserve or obtain more flying. Rarely does it actually happen. There are often far more factors involved. In the case of a ER category there are many other factors that have to be considered. You have only 3 departures for over half the year. The company has and does change equipement on some of the CVG flights to the 400 which means even fewer departures. You can't staff a category with those kinds of flying shifts in a economical manner. In any case the guys who make the real decisions have said it was never given any real consideration. At the moment they have far bigger fish to fry.

There is quasi-official information out on CVG being a consolidated 757/767 Domestic and ER group. Other bases to follow, ATL will be last. As the pilot above posted, there are bigger fish to fry, but the Company would like the flexibility and the ability to pull down the number of reserves needed to cover both domestic and ER categories.

The company has never even asked for this in a contract negotiation. They did not mention or ask for it in the bankruptcy contract or the new joint contract. I have heard lots of pilots talk about it however its another area that I don't think has been given any real consideration. The two ER categories at Delta are both large enough that there is no reduction or cost savings in reserves by combining the categories. The manning formula in the contract dictates how many people are required. If a category has less then about 75 lines then you can gain a bit of efficiency if it can be combined. Both ER categories are several times that size.

If they did decide to combine them they would have to deal with the jepps issue, additional training for all pilots each year and both the problems with two sets of FAR's and pilots ability to manipulate those FAR's to get paid trip drops. Add in the fact that the categories would have to be rebid under our contract and you have a training nightmare for the company when they are already looking at record training demands for the next several years with the mergers.

There is likely to be only one change in the ER flying and that will be opening a base in SEA in 2010. Anything else is mostly wishful thinking by some pilots.

Don't forget that 3rd and little known -ER category out here in LA. That would be the one base I would say it might make sense to combine the domestic and international categories.

I heard that too.
What is the thinking behind having dedicated 767 domestic separated from ER at Delta?
Saving money on WWO training and once a year checkride for domestic guys?

Many airlines have 75/76 pilots qualified and able to fly everywhere the airplane goes. Why? The only plus that reserves cover all types of flying?

Thank you.

No other airline has the level of international flying Delta does on the 7ER. The airlines that combine it generally have a large domestic operation with a small international operation. Not the case at Delta. Cheaper to do it the way we are doing it now and the reason the company has never asked once to change it. I just spoke with a ALPA rep and as of today they have never even so much as brought up the concept. Pilots keep bringing it up because some would prefer it that way. So far the company has no interest. I would love it if the company would ask for such a change because it would be a major change in the contract and the union would certainly counter with many other improvements in other areas. If the company wanted this they missed there chance when they were in Chapter 11. Did not want it and did not ask.

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The time frame is over three years for the conversion. They can make all of us ER guys and let us fly domestic in the ER trip packages. When all of it is in the ER package and none in the domestic package, I guess that they have done what they have wanted to do.
PBS min staffing comes to mind, but with zero block hrs it becomes a moot point. Most airlines are going this way, and DAL management feels that it is only a matter of time before DAL needs to become a combined category as well. We can resist, but NWA does it now. Of course time will tell, and it is only in the theory stage right now. No action has been taken.