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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 657983)
You think Tim will enjoy his return to line flying?
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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 657983)
You think Tim will enjoy his return to line flying?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 657935)
Your economic argument has been fought over, discussed, checked, verified and more by many experts at both DALPA and the company in both LOA 46 and the chapter 11 contract. They were rehashed again in joint contract. The only aircraft we can come close to flying at a economic rate matching the current DCI block hour rate is the E170/175 and even that may be to big a spread to be viable on a economic basis unless we can force the other majors to bring the flying back on a timely basis also. I would support a all out effort to do that in the next contract.
The most recent economic study on this was done during bankruptcy negotiations, done to justify the outsourcing of those airplanes at that time in exchange for "bargaining credits." This is covered in Delta's Negotiator's Notepads and Northwest's ZIP Lines publications. In plain terms, it was a scope sale designed to offset concessionary bargaining. Currently our negotiators quote this out of date information. If pressed, they will admit that it is out of date. They say they can not update that information until directed to do so by the MEC. In plain terms the politics drives the numbers. The number crunchers work for the politicians and don't dare "go off the reservation" by telling their superiors - "hey boss, we need new numbers." A lot has changed since 113c. DCI ground service has been completely restructured and consolidated with Delta mainline's subcontractors. Mainline pay has changed and we had that little change involving the biggest merger in the history of mankind.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 657960)
Also, I was under the impression that the MEC chose to take no action on the resolution to regenerate new numbers for DCI. It is my understanding that the numbers that the MEC has been presented are from the 1113C era. It is time for new numbers.
This is all public record, which makes me wonder why the spin? To shut us up? We will not be "shushed" by anything other than fact based, objective, analysis. At least we agree, even with the current MEC, that there is economic justification to retake the E175. As always it is the politics... . Bigotry is pervasive, isn't it? |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 657984)
The last line in this statement right here is exactly why there is distrust on what comes from the MEC. It was specifically stated to my face that the last numbers that were run were back in BK era.
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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 657991)
ALPA Economic and Financial Analysis met with management in March on DCI revenue and cost allocation. I am told that negotiator Worrall and FO rep Kessler mentioned it at the 44 meeting as part of a comprehensive scope history review.
It was not mentioned during that or the scope analysis (which was all old data anyways... 2007 and earlier from nwa/cal/dal codeshare and before). There is a reason why people that watch this stuff are surprised to hear this. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 657991)
ALPA Economic and Financial Analysis met with management in March on DCI revenue and cost allocation. I am told that negotiator Worrall and FO rep Kessler mentioned it at the 44 meeting as part of a comprehensive scope history review.
I will say that I have seen the usual suspects do an about face on the E-series flying in the last few months. This caught me off guard since they all had been quite against those jets ever being mainline jets. If an EA was done even a primitive one as the resolutions in March requested it explains them finding God. I say bravo if they did, and hip hip hooray if they really have changed their minds, because that was the intent and purpose behind the resolution. Now they need to PR that with the rank and file, because if their numbers support these jets as mainline jets, it furthers the arguement to bring CPS completely in to the fold. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 657996)
If this is the case, certain members of the administration did not get the memo.
I will say that I have seen the usual suspects do an about face on the E-series flying in the last few months. This caught me off guard since they all had been quite against those jets ever being mainline jets. It an EA was done even a primitive one as the resolutions in March requested it explains them finding God. I say bravo if they did, and hip hip hooray if they really have changed their minds, because that was the intent and purpose behind the resolution. Now they need to PR that with the rank and file, because if their numbers support these jets as mainline jets, it furthers the arguement to bring CPS completely in to the fold. An actionable written commitment would have me enthusiastically lining up behind my Reps and MEC instantly. As they say where I'm from "beware the butter ... you could be the biscuit" http://wp.dogandponyshowwebsite.com/...21006_big1.jpg |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 658002)
True. But be careful. They'll butter us up with no action.
An actionable written commitment would have me enthusiastically lining up behind my Reps and MEC instantly. As they say where I'm from "beware the butter ... you could be the biscuit" http://wp.dogandponyshowwebsite.com/...21006_big1.jpg Is that how you look at your reps when you talk to them? ;) |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 658005)
Bar, this has me it stitches. I swear, you should be a comedian.
Is that how you look at your reps when you talk to them? ;) I thought that was Bar! That's not him???? :confused: :D |
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