Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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I live in base. Fewer assignable short calls is not a QOL improvement. Given that the latest contract provides credit towards reserve guarantee and SC's rarely actually go to work, fewer SCs mean less time sitting home and earning credit for doing so. When I sat reserve, I would actually request SC in some situations.
Not all of us choose not to live where we work.....
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Sitting long call in base lets me be out on the lake not attached to my phone.
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I don't know about 60 hrs, but I've flown with very senior F/Os who swapped/dropped to be available to GS: ie get the greenie first and worry about filling up to the GS trigger later. Again, very senior and obvious manning issues. I've read these "I never get a GS" posts a million times. AND they never will if they keep volunteering to fly at straight rates. It is their contractual right. But clearly you are solving company manning issues and costing someone else at least double. The company LOVES this. That alone should be enough to consider what you are doing. Also, not just IMO, there is a limit to how much time you can be on the road without damaging your home life. How many straight pay 100 hour block months does it take to cover $2m in a divorce settlement? Also, not just IMO, I never G/S or W/S when we had people on furlough despite being pretty senior and anyone who did is a POS contract or not. OFG
There are also very junior F/O's who swapped/dropped/PD'd/APD'd to get rid of trips (when they could) for QOL, and then picked up trips (via WS) that helped build them back to a regular month's line...because GS's aren't coming their way at their seniority.
I know it sucks when you're in a position to GS, then someone drops a WS with low reserve coverage (however that comes about). I appreciate that you agree that it's their "contractual right." But I don't feel like you're looking at the big picture. For junior guys on the line, the only way to fill back up after dumping something that they needed to get rid of is to grab that WS. Sometimes it only happens at the last minute, when it pops into open time, and it works for them and fills their schedule back up. They're not looking at reserve coverage when they're trying to get their hours back. It happens. I know it sucks for those hanging in the trees for the greenies, but it's how the system works. You've kind of got to view it from both angles. You were there once. Just my two cents.
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There are very senior F/Os who swapped/dropped to be available to GS: ie get the greenie first and worry about filling up to the GS trigger later. Agreed.
There are also very junior F/O's who swapped/dropped/PD'd/APD'd to get rid of trips (when they could) for QOL, and then picked up trips (via WS) that helped build them back to a regular month's line...because GS's aren't coming their way at their seniority.
I know it sucks when you're in a position to GS, then someone drops a WS with low reserve coverage (however that comes about). I appreciate that you agree that it's their "contractual right." But I don't feel like you're looking at the big picture. For junior guys on the line, the only way to fill back up after dumping something that they needed to get rid of is to grab that WS. Sometimes it only happens at the last minute, when it pops into open time, and it works for them and fills their schedule back up. They're not looking at reserve coverage when they're trying to get their hours back. It happens. I know it sucks for those hanging in the trees for the greenies, but it's how the system works. You've kind of got to view it from both angles. You were there once. Just my two cents.
There are also very junior F/O's who swapped/dropped/PD'd/APD'd to get rid of trips (when they could) for QOL, and then picked up trips (via WS) that helped build them back to a regular month's line...because GS's aren't coming their way at their seniority.
I know it sucks when you're in a position to GS, then someone drops a WS with low reserve coverage (however that comes about). I appreciate that you agree that it's their "contractual right." But I don't feel like you're looking at the big picture. For junior guys on the line, the only way to fill back up after dumping something that they needed to get rid of is to grab that WS. Sometimes it only happens at the last minute, when it pops into open time, and it works for them and fills their schedule back up. They're not looking at reserve coverage when they're trying to get their hours back. It happens. I know it sucks for those hanging in the trees for the greenies, but it's how the system works. You've kind of got to view it from both angles. You were there once. Just my two cents.
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"There are very senior F/Os who swapped/dropped to be available to GS: ie get the greenie first and worry about filling up to the GS trigger later." Agreed.
There are also very junior F/O's who swapped/dropped/PD'd/APD'd to get rid of trips (when they could) for QOL, and then picked up trips (via WS) that helped build them back to a regular month's line...because GS's aren't coming their way at their seniority.
I know it sucks when you're in a position to GS, then someone drops a WS with low reserve coverage (however that comes about). I appreciate that you agree that it's their "contractual right." But I don't feel like you're looking at the big picture. For junior guys on the line, the only way to fill back up after dumping something that they needed to get rid of is to grab that WS. Sometimes it only happens at the last minute, when it pops into open time, and it works for them and fills their schedule back up. They're not looking at reserve coverage when they're trying to get their hours back. It happens. I know it sucks for those hanging in the trees for the greenies, but it's how the system works. You've kind of got to view it from both angles. You were there once. Just my two cents.
There are also very junior F/O's who swapped/dropped/PD'd/APD'd to get rid of trips (when they could) for QOL, and then picked up trips (via WS) that helped build them back to a regular month's line...because GS's aren't coming their way at their seniority.
I know it sucks when you're in a position to GS, then someone drops a WS with low reserve coverage (however that comes about). I appreciate that you agree that it's their "contractual right." But I don't feel like you're looking at the big picture. For junior guys on the line, the only way to fill back up after dumping something that they needed to get rid of is to grab that WS. Sometimes it only happens at the last minute, when it pops into open time, and it works for them and fills their schedule back up. They're not looking at reserve coverage when they're trying to get their hours back. It happens. I know it sucks for those hanging in the trees for the greenies, but it's how the system works. You've kind of got to view it from both angles. You were there once. Just my two cents.
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I in fact can see both sides. I made so little as a new hire double didn't matter. It was still chump change. I'm offering 30+ year advice. Over time you are going to make about the same money and have a much better life style by NOT solving the companies manning problems. MAKE them pay someone else double. They will eventually figure it out and man accordingly, or eventually you will be senior enough to get the call out. These are my opinions and I think history supports it. I'm not talking about folks trying to rework their schedule or get a decent month. I'm talking about ignoring obvious manning gaps and sucking up time to FAR limits. You are solving DAL problems and overworking yourself for straight pay. There needs to be a pick up limit and it should apply to any way you pick up time. But hey, knock yourself out. You can help solve Social Security and Medicare issues as well. Nearly retired so its important. OFG
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The whole point of having a union is to get a contract that benefits everyone. Limiting hours flown while maximizing pay rates helps ensure good pay with time off to enjoy it. It also means we need more pilots, helping advancement. There's 14000 of us and we don't operate in a vacuum.
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You want to GS, bid 'em. You want to fly 100 hours at straight pay, do it. Just stop *****in about it.
Don't hate the pilot, hate the contract.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Or, maybe just stop hating.
Don't hate the pilot, hate the contract.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Or, maybe just stop hating.
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The whole point of having a union is to get a contract that benefits everyone. Limiting hours flown while maximizing pay rates helps ensure good pay with time off to enjoy it. It also means we need more pilots, helping advancement. There's 14000 of us and we don't operate in a vacuum.
You have missed the point entirely. Nobody said you are operating outside the contract. Just because something is legal in the contract does not mean it is a good thing for the pilot group at-large. They can correct me if I'm wrong, but they are suggesting we modify the contract to limit straight pay pickup in order to improve QOL/pay for the majority of DAL pilots even though a few might not see an improvement. Often the union needs to protect us from ourselves.
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