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Old 02-22-2018 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
I don’t think anyone is bitter. The issue is the diluting of earned benefits. The rule change is driven by one thing: Delta’s balance sheet. Hence, the opportunity/appropriateness of this to be addressed by ALPA.

As far as earning full Delta benefits, I suggest applying to mainline. I remember where I came from (ASA and ANG), and that stoked my motivation to move on to a more lucrative career with a major. At this point, I’m not interested in diluting my near or long term benefits for the false argument of getting 9E pilots to work (ref: 9E commuter clause; BTW, I gladly give up the Jumpseat to anyone going to work).

For those who don’t think others want a bite of our profit sharing, read above.
I don't believe anyone is asking for profit sharing. Also, you're only making my point. Regional pilots getting to work and filling your planes on the cheap without booting revenue passengers HELPS your profit sharing. Sure you don't want your "earned" benefits diluted, but then you also want as much profit sharing as possible. Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. I guess you'll have to decide which is more important to you but management has chosen the $$$ as always.
Old 02-22-2018 | 07:29 AM
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As the ceo stated. If not for the concessions of the delta pilot group, there would be no delta airlines.

A little more history....a lot of us had no 'regional' to work 'up' through. Which left only one viable option. And then showed up to work....as commuters.....with no pass priviledges....and no js.

No js at delta..meant no js anyplace else either.

So you see...if not for the bullets taken by these non-humble, non unity delta pilots....you would have no flow to be asking to get back...if you ever had it in the first place.

Let alone the opportunities to commute to and from work without buying a ticket.
Old 02-22-2018 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by poopplop
Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too.
Yup. Why even have cake if you can’t eat it? But you gotta eat your Brussels Sprouts before you get dessert.

To put another way, why work for benefits if they’re eventually diluted to uselessness?

Best wishes in getting on with the major/legacy of your choice.
Old 02-22-2018 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
Yup. Why even have cake if you can’t eat it? But you gotta eat your Brussels Sprouts before you get dessert.

To put another way, why work for benefits if they’re eventually diluted to uselessness?

Best wishes in getting on with the major/legacy of your choice.
The thing you aren't seeing is that one benefit is being boosted by the other's decline. Like I said, you'll have to decide which is more important.

Thank you for the nice wishes.
Old 02-22-2018 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by poopplop
I don't believe anyone is asking for profit sharing.

Don’t be so coy. Almost every post you’ve made on this subject has a random, yet pointed, jab at the fact that you don’t get PS.
Old 02-22-2018 | 07:44 AM
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As the ceo stated. If not for the concessions of the delta pilot group, there would be no delta airlines.

A little more history....a lot of us had no 'regional' to work 'up' through. Which left only one viable option. And then showed up to work....as commuters.....with no pass priviledges....and no js.

No js at delta..meant no js anyplace else either.

So you see...if not for the bullets taken by these non-humble, non unity delta pilots....you would have no flow to be asking to get back...if you ever had it in the first place.

Let alone the opportunities to commute to and from work without buying a ticket.
What in the world are you...? Listen, I'm not going to sit here and make fun of you if you are suffering from dementia. Good day sir.
Old 02-22-2018 | 07:48 AM
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Don’t be so coy. Almost every post you’ve made on this subject has a random, yet pointed, jab at the fact that you don’t get PS.
I only mentioned it to make a point. Regional guys get so little, don't complain and keep applying while hoping for the best. Yet the first crumb we get handed there is an uproar from above. I just think it's strange, especially because this is not designed to help 9E pilots, it's designed to help Delta and its revenue passengers, and therefore directly benefits Delta pilots by way of profit sharing.
Old 02-22-2018 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by poopplop
I only mentioned it to make a point. Regional guys get so little, don't complain and keep applying while hoping for the best. Yet the first crumb we get handed there is an uproar from above. I just think it's strange, especially because this is not designed to help 9E pilots, it's designed to help Delta and its revenue passengers, and therefore directly benefits Delta pilots by way of profit sharing.
Do yourself a favor ...

https://www.deltajobs.net/pilots.htm
Old 02-22-2018 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Do yourself a favor ...

https://www.deltajobs.net/pilots.htm
Excellent rebuttal. But that doesn't help your case here, my friend. Even if I go you will still have the same problem. Regional guys get to work before retirees, making you more profit sharing money. OR regional guys bump your revenue passengers with their commuter clause, hurting your profit sharing. Which will you have?

I can see why current retirees might be upset, as I assume they are not benefiting from the profit checks. But no one here has made a sound argument for current Delta pilots against the change in priority so far. Or rather, no one has made the choice above...
Old 02-22-2018 | 08:20 AM
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What in the world are you...? Listen, I'm not going to sit here and make fun of you if you are suffering from dementia. Good day sir.
Im in the same world i think most reading your posts find themselves.
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