I'm not surprised you can't answer the question. It's OK if you don't get it, son. There's no need to pretend like you do. We are all here to learn

 

They will probably remember where they came from, unlike some others...

 

You do understand that is a management not union decision. I can also assure you that should management decide to merge the two airlines you will not be asking for a staple. You will be demanding far more. It is however a moot point as management controls mergers and owns the seniority list.

 

Exactly. At 9E I’ve always been willing to lend positive advice and constructive criticism to those I know trying to make it from low time to corporate/regionals. I was once there before too believe it or not, just like everyone else...

I’m also happy that Delta created a program for employees to have a path to become pilots too. Excellent opportunity for those who may have not had the means before.

 

Wow. Keep drinking from that bitterness cup son.

Its near certainty most all of us 'remember where we came from'. See. Its a very personal and human thing.

Might i suggest you consider where those you castigate have 'come from' to arrive where they are before throwing them on the fire of injustice you have been stoking?

 

I'm not even sure what you're ranting about anymore. Suggesting a little humility counts as bitterness for you? You're confused and simply a lost cause.

 

That's great. It's amazing that some people here actually suggest that you should pull the ladder up from behind you. Very sad. Fellow ALPA pilots on here flying the same passengers under the same management upset that their wholly-owned brethren (who are NOT getting profit-sharing checks) are getting half decent nonrev priority so they can get to work. Unity at its best.

I write this knowing the majority have better attitudes than the few bitter authors on this website.

 

I’m am an active Endeavor pilot and just for the record we never ask our management for travel priority over Delta’s retirees. When they announced it took us by surprise too. Can we blame management ? Probably not considering most of them are Delta employees including our new CEO Bill. From personal experience our pilot group doesn't ask for travel privileges, profit sharing, etc .. the only thing we would like is career progression (flow) to Delta.

 

From one former regional guy to another, you need to drop the “we aren’t getting our profit sharing check.” It sounds like a whining child routine. Here is an excerpt from an ALPA e-mail that outlines why profit sharing exists and gives a brief history on it. Being a tad bit educated on the history of profit sharing might make you change your tune a bit:


Voluntary Concessions & Profit Sharing Institution
Post 9/11, Delta pilots took the initiative to try to help Delta stave off bankruptcy by agreeing to contractual concessions (LOA #46), saving the Company nearly $1 billion per year. Part of this agreement included the negotiation of pre-tax profit sharing – pilots took concessions on pay, benefits and work rules, but also hedged for a future where they could be compensated when Delta was profitable.

Bankruptcy Concessions & Profit Sharing Enhancement
When Delta declared bankruptcy, the Company gained additional concessions from the pilot group (LOA #51). Enhanced profit sharing was negotiated to allow for an eventual recoup of some of the lost income resulting from those concessions. Again, Delta pilots agreed to relinquish tangible contractual benefits, but expected that any return to financial viability would allow for a share in resulting profits.

Profit Sharing Benefit Realized
Profit sharing was negotiated by the pilots in an attempt to reduce the potential for concession overreach. As profitability returned to the Company, this negotiated provision became a tangible benefit.

Financial conditions at the Company have continued to improve and while some negotiated changes in C2012 affected profit sharing, pilots rejected any reductions to the benefit in C2015. This likely benefitted the non-contract employees as well since their profit sharing was subsequently reinstated from earlier reductions.

As you see your checks arriving, remember why they exist – not because of charitable goodwill or a culture of care, but because the pilots of Delta had the forethought to protect themselves when they were facing onerous, life-altering concessions.


In closing all of my time at the regional airlines I was grateful for the opportunity I had. I was grateful for the benefits I had. I also worked hard and hoped to make it to a legacy carrier. I’m here now. Still grateful for opportunities of the past. Best of luck to you.

 

I don’t think anyone is bitter. The issue is the diluting of earned benefits. The rule change is driven by one thing: Delta’s balance sheet. Hence, the opportunity/appropriateness of this to be addressed by ALPA.

As far as earning full Delta benefits, I suggest applying to mainline. Delta is currently hiring the best qualified candidates in the industry through proven screening and interview process.

I remember where I came from (ASA and ANG), and that stoked my motivation to move on to a more lucrative career with a major. At this point, I’m not interested in diluting my near or long term benefits for the false argument of getting 9E pilots to work (ref: 9E commuter clause; BTW, I gladly give up the Jumpseat to anyone going to work).

For those who don’t think others want a bite of our profit sharing, read above. As is the case with non-con employees, management decides how PS is allocated.