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GogglesPisano 02-22-2018 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2534458)
I only mentioned it to make a point. Regional guys get so little, don't complain and keep applying while hoping for the best. Yet the first crumb we get handed there is an uproar from above. I just think it's strange, especially because this is not designed to help 9E pilots, it's designed to help Delta and its revenue passengers, and therefore directly benefits Delta pilots by way of profit sharing.

Do yourself a favor ...

https://www.deltajobs.net/pilots.htm

poopplop 02-22-2018 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2534459)
Do yourself a favor ...

https://www.deltajobs.net/pilots.htm

Excellent rebuttal. But that doesn't help your case here, my friend. Even if I go you will still have the same problem. Regional guys get to work before retirees, making you more profit sharing money. OR regional guys bump your revenue passengers with their commuter clause, hurting your profit sharing. Which will you have?

I can see why current retirees might be upset, as I assume they are not benefiting from the profit checks. But no one here has made a sound argument for current Delta pilots against the change in priority so far. Or rather, no one has made the choice above...

BobZ 02-22-2018 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2534452)
What in the world are you...? Listen, I'm not going to sit here and make fun of you if you are suffering from dementia. Good day sir.

Im in the same world i think most reading your posts find themselves.

poopplop 02-22-2018 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2534477)
Im in the same world i think most reading you posts find themselves.

I don't think this is proper English. Anyway the mod says I'm not allowed to make fun of you so I won't be responding to you anymore. Good day.

SluggoC17 02-22-2018 08:29 AM

Darn whippersnappers!

Mesabah 02-22-2018 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2534436)
As the ceo stated. If not for the concessions of the delta pilot group, there would be no delta airlines.

A little more history....a lot of us had no 'regional' to work 'up' through. Which left only one viable option. And then showed up to work....as commuters.....with no pass priviledges....and no js.

No js at delta..meant no js anyplace else either.

So you see...if not for the bullets taken by these non-humble, non unity delta pilots....you would have no flow to be asking to get back...if you ever had it in the first place.

Let alone the opportunities to commute to and from work without buying a ticket.

9E was with Northwest Airlines at the time. Also, a lot of us went through bankruptcy to provide a better price to Delta.

trustbutverify 02-22-2018 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2534458)
I only mentioned it to make a point. Regional guys get so little, don't complain and keep applying while hoping for the best. Yet the first crumb we get handed there is an uproar from above. I just think it's strange, especially because this is not designed to help 9E pilots, it's designed to help Delta and its revenue passengers, and therefore directly benefits Delta pilots by way of profit sharing.

How many 9E pilots do you think bump paying pax in your current positive space commute program? And how much of an increase to my profit sharing do you think will result from the new non-rev rule priority change?

poopplop 02-22-2018 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 2534535)
How many 9E pilots do you think bump paying pax in your current positive space commute program? And how much of an increase to my profit sharing do you think will result from the new non-rev rule priority change?

It will probably affect the ATL market the most, but we do have tons of commuters in NYC as well. Just think, one full flight from MEM-ATL with 5 commuting pilots that must get on. That's a lot of dough. Plus inconveniencing the passengers could hurt the brand. Just look at United's example, one incident cost them millions and was a huge PR disaster. This would prevent a lot of those instances from occurring, but at the expense of retirees.

Then again, the retirees would be bumped first by the commuter policy anyway...

trustbutverify 02-22-2018 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2534546)
It will probably affect the ATL market the most, but we do have tons of commuters in NYC as well. Just think, one full flight from MEM-ATL with 5 commuting pilots that must get on. That's a lot of dough. Plus inconveniencing the passengers could hurt the brand. Just look at United's example, one incident cost them millions and was a huge PR disaster. This would prevent a lot of those instances from occurring, but at the expense of retirees.

Then again, the retirees would be bumped first by the commuter policy anyway...

You keep using hypotheticals and what ifs so I'll do the same. I'll bet if you used the actual numbers we'd find out that bumping pax doesn't happen much at all (despite what might have happened at UAL) and that the result to our passenger experience and financial performance is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

On the other hand, one could prove pretty easily that you wouldn't be in the position you are right now at an airline job if it weren't for those retirees about to get screwed.

Imapilot2 02-22-2018 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2534072)
Endeavor does not employ any ramp agents... Endeavor employees are basically flight crew, dispatch, scheduling, a pittance of HR, and management (oh and those managers already get perks to bump you). Otherwise all the support staff are already Delta employees.

Where did I say Endeavor.

But either way doesn't matter anybody that works at the commuter should go behind our retirees.


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