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Old 03-20-2018 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
Shadow period question. I managed to get a five day trip starting on last day of shadow period, which was then dropped. Which was nice. If I pick up something in that shadow does it pay over what I'm guaranteed for the dropped trip or am I flying for free?
Do you mean in the shadow, or in the footprint of the dropped trip (which overlap by one day)? You may not actually be able to pick anything up without OK on your schedule anyway...
Old 03-20-2018 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jules11
The animosity between mainline and Endeavor gets clearer and clearer by the day. We're only different enough on paper to barely be considered a different company.
I understand that retirees put in a lot of work for the company during their tenure but it's incredibly frustrating to be trying to go to work only to have the jumpseat occupied and the cabin filled with everyone but you because you weren't high enough on the standby list.

I was once in a position to help a retiree get on a flight by taking the jumpseat but after hearing him complain to his friend about the flight benefits of subsidiaries, do you think I did that? No. Am I a better person for it? No. Is this the type of environment that the sentiment that we at Endeavor don't deserve as much as mainline employees even though we fly 800+ Delta Connection flights a day to feed mainline? Yes.
I don't know about you personally, but I have a hunch that most pilots working at Endeavor and who read this forum probably want to be hired at Delta some day. Oddly enough, those people who think this is a good idea are trading a few years of convenience (where you'd be PS'd to work anyway if you followed the letter of the law) for an entire retirement's worth of nonrev travel priority. Talk about walking over a dollar to pick up a dime.
Old 03-20-2018 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
I don't know about you personally, but I have a hunch that most pilots working at Endeavor and who read this forum probably want to be hired at Delta some day. Oddly enough, those people who think this is a good idea are trading a few years of convenience (where you'd be PS'd to work anyway if you followed the letter of the law) for an entire retirement's worth of nonrev travel priority. Talk about walking over a dollar to pick up a dime.
If I'm not mistaken, pilots have no role in any of these changes. There are Delta policies I agree with and many that I don't. Let's not confuse which ones I do and do not influence.
Old 03-20-2018 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
I just saw a new status in trip coverage that is not listed in the help section: PSB

Obviously some sort of pot swap but not sure where the B is coming from.
Pilot swap board, its a pilot to pilot swap using swap with friends feature or the icrew swap board I believe.
Old 03-20-2018 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
I just saw a new status in trip coverage that is not listed in the help section: PSB

Obviously some sort of pot swap but not sure where the B is coming from.
Pilot swap board. I had PSB by a swap that I did with the "swap with friends."
Old 03-20-2018 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Do you mean in the shadow, or in the footprint of the dropped trip (which overlap by one day)? You may not actually be able to pick anything up without OK on your schedule anyway...
Good point, I meant in the footprint of the dropped trip. Not in the actual shadow period
Old 03-20-2018 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by todd740
Pilot swap board, its a pilot to pilot swap using swap with friends feature or the icrew swap board I believe.
Originally Posted by crewdawg
Pilot swap board. I had PSB by a swap that I did with the "swap with friends."
Thanks guys. Switching gears, I got a call from a new CS phone number. Good thing they called during the day, I have DND on my phone at night, but contacts get through in the event I get a short callout. If it had been 3am and they'd called from this new number I'd have missed the call.

Is there anyplace I can find all the CS phone numbers to make sure my phone is properly loaded?

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Old 03-20-2018 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'm not sorry. As a contract worker, you don't get equal benefits to the mainline partner. You're lucky you get any at all. Some contract ramp workers don't.

I think it is a fair gesture to raise Endeavor above retirees. I don't, however agree with them going ahead of active parents.
This 100%....
Old 03-20-2018 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jules11
The animosity between mainline and Endeavor gets clearer and clearer by the day. We're only different enough on paper to barely be considered a different company.
I understand that retirees put in a lot of work for the company during their tenure but it's incredibly frustrating to be trying to go to work only to have the jumpseat occupied and the cabin filled with everyone but you because you weren't high enough on the standby list.

I was once in a position to help a retiree get on a flight by taking the jumpseat but after hearing him complain to his friend about the flight benefits of subsidiaries, do you think I did that? No. Am I a better person for it? No. Is this the type of environment that the sentiment that we at Endeavor don't deserve as much as mainline employees even though we fly 800+ Delta Connection flights a day to feed mainline? Yes.
as a former regional guy, the sooner you realize you are a subcontractor the better. I get that you have to get to work, I was a commuter at the regionals too. That being said, a subcontractor should never get priority over a mainline employee on mainline metal.
Old 03-20-2018 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jules11
The animosity between mainline and Endeavor gets clearer and clearer by the day. We're only different enough on paper to barely be considered a different company.
I understand that retirees put in a lot of work for the company during their tenure but it's incredibly frustrating to be trying to go to work only to have the jumpseat occupied and the cabin filled with everyone but you because you weren't high enough on the standby list.

I was once in a position to help a retiree get on a flight by taking the jumpseat but after hearing him complain to his friend about the flight benefits of subsidiaries, do you think I did that? No. Am I a better person for it? No. Is this the type of environment that the sentiment that we at Endeavor don't deserve as much as mainline employees even though we fly 800+ Delta Connection flights a day to feed mainline? Yes.
You said it yourself...you don't work for Delta, you work for Endeavor. Like it our not...Endeavor is NOT Delta. It is still Endeavor. No animosity toward Endeavor employees. Just don't like seeing Delta benefits being eroded by employees of a company that is not Delta. Obviously Delta management can do this as it is not contractual, but don't expect the mainline employees (or retirees) to be happy about it. It's amusing you feel like you "deserve" it because you fly "Delta" passengers. Let me ask you this. Are you happy flying 800+ Delta Connection flights to feed mainline, or would you like to actually become a Delta employee and fly for mainline some day?
PS. It's nothing personal against Endeavor or it's employees. I hope they all work for Delta eventually.
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