Not later you reading challenged nit-wit...... did you just gloss over the (TIC) that was in the first post? hmmmmmm.....point proven.....look up humor again.....I find you humorous.....I didn't think that was your goal, but it was mine.....that you didn't find it humorous .....tough Titt....ies

I'm not here to compare Johnson's about who had it worst......my point is.........

IT'S A ZERO SUM GAME......IF THE BOTTOM OF THE SENIORITY DOES BETTER,THE TOP OF THE SENIORITY PAYS FOR IT.


Just like Democratic Socialism....when the bottom 50% of the voters(who pay NO federal income tax) vote for more "free" sh*t".....the government/company doesn't pay for it......those bearing the tax load do



So, if the "less senior" get their "come-uppance, they get a win .....but he senior guys get...nada......that's win/no win


Sorry if life's "facts" are too much for you



THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH..........

Moderator warning
 

The flaming here is getting out of hand. Stop it now.

There is no free ellipsis

Good one, .....I'm laughing me ole arse off at that one...... "grumbletonian".....good play


When you grow up you will realize the is no "free lunch"

The company will pay (X) $$$$$$ for a contract......how we split it up is up to us

My bad(that's not an apology).....but thanks for the warning

Slow typer


Nite, nite John boy

It’s well understood, Buck. The point is the contract should see many improvements. For us all. You’ve put in 16 years and I’ve 30+ to go. You (and more) have given up and need reparations and I (and more) have a long way to go on this PWA. It ain’t easy pleasing that wide of a range. I’ve listened to those I’ve flown with and I’ve read what’s been put out online. I agree with some, I get the basis but don’t agree with others, and some seem completely off the reservation. But the union is supposed to take the aggregate and do what they can. Then the group votes. So seniority factors day to day but the total voice factors more. That’s the point. We understand it’s a pie to be cut but it’s bigger than you allow, and there’s a slice for us all.

“Mission”? We have jobs and get paid for trips. No missions.


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One things for sure. Our union is going forward with deferred compensation in the company's name. We never learn.

Thats the line in vegas.

Fortunately we hav memrat.

Something that didnt exist the last time we got in bed with management for retirement.

It it gets done i suppose we can expect management to once again buy our guy a new car in appreciation for a job well done.

Just so we're clear, these aren't just "my issues." I'm not a new hire, I'm not stuck in a base or category I don't want to be in, I'm not junior at Delta and I'm not junior in my category. I'm simply advocating for those folks because we (Delta and DALPA) can afford to. I understand things are way better for them than they've ever been, but I'll keep reading all the ways that's true if people want to keep listing them. It's interesting history and it's healthy to keep things in perspective. You can call these issues peanuts and they probably are; I have never claimed otherwise. So is the latest LOA in my mind... but I'm happy for the incremental improvement it should bring about.

We could pay for new hire hotels with a reduction in per diem (or reduction in gains there) of about 1 cent per hour. I spend way more than that on coffee for FAs and gate agents, but if that's too rich for some or it's "stealing from senior to give to junior," I guess I'm a socialist.

As far as extraction by the company from 5- or 25-year guys - you're misquoting me repetitively and if you keep doing it you might make me think I said something I didn't. The idea that a 3-year pilot has given more to Delta than a 30-year guy who lost his pension would be asinine and that's probably why you have so much fun attacking it. But that's not what I said.

Should a new hire get profit sharing? There might be some who think not. How about a 2010 hire? Again, some think not. After all,
those profits were made possible by the sacrifices of those who went through BK, and they'll never be made whole, right? In my world view, which I hold simply as my own, I'm glad everyone partakes in PS at an equal percentage of eligible earnings. The newbie flying a thousand of our hours in a year that we generate billions in profits helped produce those very profits... profits that are higher than historic by a factor of 20 or more. How much is attributable to his thousand hours of flying is debatable and frankly unknowable. I'm simply saying improving that new pilot's QOL is as important to me as improving that of the top 10%. There is an expense associated with that, and of course we'd all pay for it. I've also advocated for paying PS at some undetermined level for perhaps 5 years after retirement to ease the blow on retiring dead zoners, and clearly we'd all pay for that too.