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Originally Posted by BobZ
(Post 2850122)
Its a lot difficult to understand complaints in this unprecedented airline pilot reality.
It's hard to even comprehend how much money Delta is making, just as much (or more) on the backs of pilots hired in the last 5 years as 25. I don't begrudge anyone at any level seeking ways to channel those gains into their quality of life in whatever means they find appropriate. |
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
(Post 2850094)
Hopefully, Delta hasn't hired any pilots that don't understand what a "seniority system" is and where they are in that system when hired.
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Originally Posted by Milk Man
(Post 2850123)
I dont mind sometimes having very productive trips but also not when the LCW gets up to 91:30 hrs. Sometimes I want a nice layover and relax too.
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Originally Posted by Milk Man
(Post 2850123)
I dont mind sometimes having very productive trips but also not when the LCW gets up to 91:30 hrs. Sometimes I want a nice layover and relax too.
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Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 2850078)
Sure, somewhere. So someone is new or newish or a few years on property and they have lived and started a family in Minneapolis or Seattle or Atlanta or Detroit. Have these folks had many opportunities to get senior? How are we defining senior? Would being senior in NYC fill your requirements for having QOL if you had to commute there from your distant home?
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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 2850020)
If you want QOL you stay senior in category. If you are senior in category and in need more time off you can post your trips on the Swap Board where they will be gone with cat-like quickness. Especially if you're a Captain.
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Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 2850141)
Why? Should folks not try to maximize these unprecedented times in pilots' favor, if some portion of pilots say they want more non-monetary QOL? If my business partner and I have unprecedented year and quadruple our income, and he takes 90% off the gains and I take 10%, do I have grounds to complain?
It's hard to even comprehend how much money Delta is making, just as much (or more) on the backs of pilots hired in the last 5 years as 25. I don't begrudge anyone at any level seeking ways to channel those gains into their quality of life in whatever means they find appropriate. That....or you are a fool and your 'partner' knows it. You have no such ownership in the corporation. You....are an employee. So beyond the PS cut and gains from stock positions....you enjoy no ownership position to 'share' in revenue and profits. I question your lucidity with statements that delta has extracted financial gains as much from employees of the last 5 years as much as the last 25. |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 2850143)
There is no law of nature that the bottom 10% of any seniority list must have crappy qol. That may be historic precedent, but it isn't binding.
As I said earlier (TIC), we need to be a democratic socialist system where we can spread out these onerous QOL issues. I'm sick and tired of the rich just getting richer, the senior getting more senior, and that the poor, downtrodden masses at the bottom 50% have to stand in line for breadcrumbs and with their best English accent asking, "Please, sir. May I have some more." Let's average the pay scales and everyone can make the same from year number one to year number 40. Do like American and non-rev by first come, first serve. Everybody gets three and a half weeks of vacation. None of this new hires one week and 25 years guys five weeks. When deadheading, a random number generator allocates seats with no regard to seniority because we're all equal. We are going to share the benefits and the difficulties equally. I do see a very positive outcome of this new airline order. Copilots can start buying captains rounds of drinks and dinner and the captain won't even say thank you. When crew meals are available, we'll flip a coin to see who gets their first choice if they are limited. When checking into the hotel, if there's one suite and one normal room, flip a coin to see who gets it. Flip a coin to see who gets the rest break of their choice. Flip a coin to see who gets a landing if they're limited. On the international fleet, all copilots are checked out as captain, so we'll flip a coin to see who sits in the left seat vice right seat. We will dictate to the company how to construct rotations and lines of time. Monthly bidding will have a random number generator to determine the first bidder vice the last. Every month can be a crap shoot. Did I get a lump of coal in my stocking or did I get that pony that I always wanted? Even stevens. This will be great. |
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
(Post 2850181)
Let's start a letter campaign to not only the company but also ALPA, informing them that the bottom 10% have a crappy QOL and from here on out refuse to fly on....... Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, New Years Eve, New Year's day, Memorial Day, Labor Day, my wife's birthday, my kid's birthday, my dog's birthday, St. Patrick's Day, Valentine's Day, Super Bowl Weekend, Halloween, President's Day, Columbus Day, and especially Aviation Day.
As I said earlier (TIC), we need to be a democratic socialist system where we can spread out these onerous QOL issues. I'm sick and tired of the rich just getting richer, the senior getting more senior, and that the poor, downtrodden masses at the bottom 50% have to stand in line for breadcrumbs and with their best English accent asking, "Please, sir. May I have some more." Let's average the pay scales and everyone can make the same from year number one to year number 40. Do like American and non-rev by first come, first serve. Everybody gets three and a half weeks of vacation. None of this new hires one week and 25 years guys five weeks. When deadheading, a random number generator allocates seats with no regard to seniority because we're all equal. We are going to share the benefits and the difficulties equally. I do see a very positive outcome of this new airline order. Copilots can start buying captains rounds of drinks and dinner and the captain won't even say thank you. When crew meals are available, we'll flip a coin to see who gets their first choice if they are limited. When checking into the hotel, if there's one suite and one normal room, flip a coin to see who gets it. Flip a coin to see who gets the rest break of their choice. Flip a coin to see who gets a landing if they're limited. On the international fleet, all copilots are checked out as captain, so we'll flip a coin to see who sits in the left seat vice right seat. We will dictate to the company how to construct rotations and lines of time. Monthly bidding will have a random number generator to determine the first bidder vice the last. Every month can be a crap shoot. Did I get a lump of coal in my stocking or did I get that pony that I always wanted? Even stevens. This will be great. |
Originally Posted by WakeWash
(Post 2850211)
Sometimes I think this forum is full of children.
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