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You knuckleheads do realize that this is a zero sum game don't you? For every gain the junior pilot achieves....the senior pilot paYs for it.
Sorry, after 5 years on the B-scale,.....I helped pay a second time to get ride of it.... The initial B scale cost me in the neighborhood of $150,000 .......That I thought it was wrong, and the subsequent across the board pay raises were lowered to get rid of it is mox-nix to you guys......I'm still "selfish and should retire" cause I'm impacting your progression Like I said.....the best analogy I have is Democratic Sociaslism......ALPA/THE COMPANY will pay for it.....I mean after all they are making BILLIONS.....am I right? |
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
(Post 2850244)
Well unfortunately, your reading comprehension skills need a tune up. I weighed in on a host of QOL issues. Other than seniority issues, there was no mention of the things you cited.
When you hired on did you know...1. What a seniority system is, and 2. where as a new hire you stood in that list? Did you understand those issues but expected to have the QOL issues that are inherent in such a system were going to get fixed to favor the "less" senior? OBTW....you might look up humor. You may not have found it humorous but I entertained myself......and that's all that matters to me......because, as we all know.....senior guys are selfish because thy don't want to make your life better.....I'm just the typical, "I had to pay my dues and so should you".......is that about right? Your weighing in was (as you later confess) a joke about a host of QOL issues. Not a very funny joke, but that’s not the point. The point was, you take offense to anyone having an issue with anything if they haven’t been here as long as you. An amount of time you’ve never fessed up to. Now, you’re cranky bull$&@t leads me to believe you were hired in ‘42 at the ripe age of 13 but that can’t be true. So I’m gonna assume you’re a 16 year a-hole. Had it soo bad you can’t feel empathy. So you know, I do know what a seniority system is. This isn’t my first airline. I know what comes with it and I know what doesn’t. I’m personally happy and in the best spot of my career. Doesn’t mean I or anyone else needs to crap on people stuck somewhere that could be better. Not one of them said they would rather not work for DAL. They said they were hoping for improvement soon. Aren’t you, Buck? Don’t you wish for a 30 year pay scale so that you had another 14 years to work to the top? Much better than having made it 4 years ago, amiright? OBTW, that was sarcasm.. I’m glad you found it humorous, you’ll live longer finding joy in life. I just wouldn’t expect too many of your “jokes” to land with others when you throw out grenades that are obviously antagonistic. But what do I know, I still have to look up humor.. |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 2850143)
There is no law of nature that the bottom 10% of any seniority list must have crappy qol. That may be historic precedent, but it isn't binding.
Am I misunderstanding something.....seems pretty unequivocal to me what you said I heard exactly what you said....."the bottom 10% need their QOL improved........right? .....What is there to misunderstand? For the bottom 10 % to improve, somebody has to pay for it.....you say the company will pay for it? They are making historic profits? You nig-nogs do understand that the pie is only $$$$$$full......how we split it up is up to us. Somehow the "younger guys" think they have paid the same dues as the 30+ year guys......hmmmmm .....goood try.....not in my book......so I will continue to "pull up the ladder", till I feel you have shared equally If this insults your sensibilities.....tooo bad |
Originally Posted by BobZ
(Post 2850459)
Well....in the first post bankruptcy contract those on property could have had the mentality of throwing those not on property under the bus.
B-scale II. Why not? Screw the new guys and use them to benefit our situation. Its been done before. Industrywide. That didnt happen. In fact on balance nearly the opposite happened. When you talk to a 25+ year pilot...understand you are crying poor me about pwa participation to a pilot who arrived to the same things you now cite......PLUS welfare level wages, no pass privelidges, NO JUMPSEAT, no 401k, and on and on. A new hire today arrives as a full participant in the pwa. Probation is no longer 12 months....at a criminally low fixed salary. I fly with new hires on gs trips. Full 16% 401k. Full PS. Virtually everything the pwa offers to a delta pilot is available from the start. The current pwa is hands down the best and most equitable in the history of this group. It has not only upside but also downside protections. The things you are complaining about here clearly bother you.....but on the historical landscape of this groups pwa evolution.....your issues are really peanuts. No one is belittling the hardships you’ve faced. You had whatever deal you were hired under and management has taken claim to whatever they could. That sucks. Period. Now we need to claw them back with more. Not fight against each other. All ideas are good ideas for someone. Take the aggregate and work for improvements. |
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
(Post 2850461)
You knuckleheads do realize that this is a zero sum game don't you? For every gain the junior pilot achieves....the senior pilot paYs for it.
Sorry, after 5 years on the B-scale,.....I helped pay a second time to get ride of it.... The initial B scale cost me in the neighborhood of $150,000 .......That I thought it was wrong, and the subsequent across the board pay raises were lowered to get rid of it is mox-nix to you guys......I'm still "selfish and should retire" cause I'm impacting your progression Like I said.....the best analogy I have is Democratic Sociaslism......ALPA/THE COMPANY will pay for it.....I mean after all they are making BILLIONS.....am I right? |
Originally Posted by Iceberg
(Post 2850467)
No reading comprehension mishap. I don’t believe you read my post. I didn’t cite squat. In a paraphrase of my earlier post, I said’ “Buck no agree, Buck think idiots on web stupid. Buck make long obnoxious post to prove point and everyone laugh then agree.”
Your weighing in was (as you later confess) a joke about a host of QOL issues.. Not later you reading challenged nit-wit...... did you just gloss over the (TIC) that was in the first post? hmmmmmm.....point proven.....look up humor again.....I find you humorous.....I din't think that was your goal but it was mine.....that you didn't find it humorous .....tough Titt....ies |
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
(Post 2850469)
Am I misunderstanding something.....seems pretty unequivocal to me what you said
I heard exactly what you said....."the bottom 10% need their QOL improved........right? .....What is there to misunderstand? For the bottom 10 % to improve, somebody has to pay for it.....you say the company will pay for it? They are making historic profits? You nig-nogs do understand that the pie is only $$$$$$full......how we split it up is up to us. Somehow the "younger guys" think they have paid the same dues as the 30+ year guys......hmmmmm .....goood try.....not in my book......so I will continue to "pull up the ladder", till I feel you have shared equally If this insults your sensibilities.....tooo bad |
Originally Posted by buckleyboy
(Post 2850439)
Buck, did you purposefully quote yourself earlier, or did you think you were posting as an alter ego to present the image that people agree with you?
If the latter, how many alter egos do you have? |
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
(Post 2850474)
Not later you read challenged nit-wit...... did you just gloss over the (TIC) that was in the first post? hmmmmmm.....point proven.....look up humor again.....I find you humorous.....I din't think that was your goal but it was mine.....that you didn't find it humorous .....tough Titt....ies
You should get that, at you’re advanced age. |
Originally Posted by Iceberg
(Post 2850471)
Very few people have said, “poor me.” Most have said, “I wish ____ was better.” I’m sure you have things you wish were better. Why belittle another’s wish list? You’ve got things, they’ve got things; give them to the union and let them try to get them.
No one is belittling the hardships you’ve faced. You had whatever deal you were hired under and management has taken claim to whatever they could. That sucks. Period. Now we need to claw them back with more. Not fight against each other. All ideas are good ideas for someone. Take the aggregate and work for improvements. Thats exactly my point....we are so far beyond 'claw back' levels in our pwa. As for crying poor me...maybe its the format...it sure sounds that way when a poster makes the irrational claim more has been taken from five year employees.....than those here 25 yrs and longer......and presumably argue these 5 year employees justifiably are due recompense... Even if it comes at the expense of the rest of us. Im sorrry.....that smacks of the block of pilots that signed us up for second class employee status. Entitled much? |
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