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Welcome to 2006 part deux.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3105567)

What scope would be subject to that clause anyway? FM doesn't mean a self imposed unlimited internal Ch.11/1113c process whereby they rewrite the entire CBA as they wish. FM is specific so what applies to scope? Even the furlough pay would most likely be a slam dunk win for us, although its certainlly possible they might roll the dice just to "go for it" as it costs nothing to try.

If there isn't a very specific section of scope that's even subject to FM language, then who would even ask that question and why? Unless it was internally planted for FUD.

I'm guessing the RJ seat restriction if they furlough past Dec. 2006.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3105567)

I’m guessing he was responding to the furlough pay part of the question

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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE (Post 3105590)

I'm guessing the RJ seat restriction if they furlough past Dec. 2006.

Is that contractually subject to FM?

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Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3105605)

I’m guessing he was responding to the furlough pay part of the question

It did seem that way. However the totality of the question seemed to be a plant with the scope part. I hadn't heard anyone ask that previously, while lots were asking about the furlough pay part (at DL and other airlines). And he didn't refute the scope part (which no one had been asking).

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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE (Post 3105494)

So did anyone else see the town hall when JL said they are looking into using Force mejure to get out of scope restrictions and furlough pay?

Can't believe he actually said it and can't believe no one has mentioned it.

The next move is figuring out how to shaft pilots who take the VEOP.

I’ll post this here again. It’s an excerpt from the PWA that outlines what force majeur does NOT apply to.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/3085463-post48.html

The FM comments were from a ‘preciously submitted question’. I would be shocked (and disappointed) if they had not worked for hours on crafting the answers to those (and this) question.

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Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3105658)

The FM comments were from a ‘preciously submitted question’. I would be shocked (and disappointed) if they had not worked for hours on crafting the answers to those (and this) question.

I believe it was a question during the live comments. But regardless, they want to use it. And he said he believes that the pandemic qualifies as a situation that they can use it. Unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE (Post 3105675)

I believe it was a question during the live comments. But regardless, they want to use it. And he said he believes that the pandemic qualifies as a situation that they can use it. Unbelievable.

I did find and listen to it and that’s not close to what he said. I also am willing to bet everyone gets furlough pay. I doubt he was even referencing that. It’s fractions of a penny compared to the scope side. I do expect they will invoke it on scope since they are in violation of numerous parts of our contract if they don’t reach a agreement with the union. I suspect however some agreement will be reached with the union because they will recognize that they will lose a FM arbitration with most of the worlds air travel shut down. It’s hard to fly anything approaching our minimum block hour requirements when there is no where to fly and it will be years before demand matches some of our contractual requirements. The challenge will be crafting a agreement as flying picks up that insures our fair share of the flying while accounting for international agreements, JV agreements and government mandated route allotments.
Do you really believe that this is not a FM situation with regard to international scope and if not can you tell us what you think might qualify?