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Old 09-19-2020 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
it was only 275 or so who were losing a months pay (now 220 less) 600 were getting extra furlough pay b/c FM. (Everyone with less than 1 year gets 1 month Instead of 1/2 month)
I don't think it was ever about the furlough pay. The additional 1/2 month was a wash with the one month reduction. This was about declaring FM and using it to wipe our scope. The furlough pay adjustments were just part of that equation.
Old 09-19-2020 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I don't think it was ever about the furlough pay. The additional 1/2 month was a wash with the one month reduction. This was about declaring FM and using it to wipe our scope. The furlough pay adjustments were just part of that equation.
I completely agree, the number of pilots affected was just off. FM has nothing to do with furlough pay and everything to do with scope. hopefully ALPA fights this, and I really hope they can win it.

side note if the 220 end up not getting furloughed then that only leaves 1 class shorted furlough pay, showing this was never about the pay aspect of it.
Old 09-19-2020 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I don't think it was ever about the furlough pay. The additional 1/2 month was a wash with the one month reduction. This was about declaring FM and using it to wipe our scope. The furlough pay adjustments were just part of that equation.
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Old 09-19-2020 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I don't think it was ever about the furlough pay. The additional 1/2 month was a wash with the one month reduction. This was about declaring FM and using it to wipe our scope. The furlough pay adjustments were just part of that equation.

When does FM end? By what time, block hour or other metric does it automatically stop? There’s nothing in the PWA as far as I can tell that says once it’s declared that it can remain forever...or that it can’t.
Old 09-19-2020 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
When does FM end? By what time, block hour or other metric does it automatically stop? There’s nothing in the PWA as far as I can tell that says once it’s declared that it can remain forever...or that it can’t.
In the past that has been determined by an arbitrator/mediator in his/her grievance decision.

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Old 09-19-2020 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
In the past that has been determined by an arbitrator/mediator in his/her grievance decision.

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So it’s up to ALPA to decide when they think it should end and file a grievance?

I hope that it’s already been filed.
Old 09-19-2020 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
So it’s up to ALPA to decide when they think it should end and file a grievance?

I hope that it’s already been filed.
You should hope it’s not been filed because we will lose. We need to file when we have a reasonable chance of winning and the basis for a FM claim is no longer valid.
Old 09-19-2020 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You should hope it’s not been filed because we will lose. We need to file when we have a reasonable chance of winning and the basis for a FM claim is no longer valid.

I was thinking more about how long the grievance process takes which can be years as you know. So I say file it ASAP and get the ball rolling.
Old 09-19-2020 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
I was thinking more about how long the grievance process takes which can be years as you know. So I say file it ASAP and get the ball rolling.
Its normally months not years on a major grievance.
Old 09-19-2020 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its normally months not years on a major grievance.

Something as wide ranging and important as this plus COVID restrictions and company delays could easily push this into years.
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