Not trying to start a fight, or change any ideas that might come out of you guys brainstorming, but theres a couple things to keep in mind youre negotiating against.

For one, we as pilots arent negotiating against other pilot groups and we cant sell our services collectively to United. We dont get the kind of business relationship with management the guys who sell us fuel get. We won't either. They are the employer, we are the employee. I hate to offer this up because it will cause some other conversations, but the only way to fix that relationship with management is to have one union, one seniority list, across all unions. Probably wildly unpopular but i dont like bringing up problems without a starting place for a solution (even if unrealistic).

This is the mind set I'm trying to shift. You have a lifetime contract, but you only get to adjust your pay every 4-6+ years. It's actually a many lifetimes contract but will apply for your entire career and everyone else's, now and in the future without end. I don't care that we can't sell our services elsewhere. This is exactly the justification for the change and my reason for determining a change is necessary.

You (1)can't realistically market your services once you are locked into your employer by seniority, and you (2)can't withdraw your service when the terms become amendable, and you (3)must work for existing wages for an undefined future period.

Again, (perpetual) indentured servitude.

Absolutely not. I want ZERO affiliation with United, and I’m sure they’re good peeps and their ALPA has strengths we could utilize. That being said, United is ran by a bunch of “The Zoo” REJECTS, starting with Kirby.

Scott wouldn’t know how to run a lemonade stand for profit, and don’t even get me started with AA”G” (if they ever dump APA)

3 new Hawaiian routes announced today. OGG-HNL will be interesting to operate nonstop.

Non starter. Not only would you never come remotely close to 50%+1 voting for that, I don't think it would even be legal. If it somehow did happen, the already low chance of being released to a 30 day cooling off period would drop to precisely 0.00% and the company would have unilateral leverage for life.

Very bad idea.

I see DTW/JFK-HNL and ATL-OGG. Where did you see OGG-HNL?

Sorry, I meant OGG to ATL. I suspect however there will be more than a few tech stops in HNL for fuel.

Which plane is going to gonna be doing these new routes?

the 767-300 I think. That’s just what I recall from press release. I haven’t flown it, no idea if it can do it

Really? That seems like it would rapidly wipe out the razor thin margins that hyper-competitive market offers.