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Since many CVG legs begin with a DH, can a pilot pick up the trip where the flying starts? Not that I have the seniority to do it, but could a guy displace to CVG and then just bid the trips that actually start flying somewhere else?
At FedEx this was pretty common and pilots could bank their commute (ie from MEM) and use that to ticket from another city (Atlanta). Shenzen China isn't looking so bad. Hope things turn around at FedEx. |
Slow;
I am glad to see you get on here during a Sunday Morning. I will not get in to the commuter issue with you, as I see the points that PG has made. They are valid and we need to find a way to make it beneficial for the company to see it our way. Some of the trite comments could have been left out, but I found it funny. As for the last paragraph..... I agree, and that is the issue with politics and politicians making policy for areas they have no knowledge in. I have e-mailed many times my former congresswomen and men. Senator Kohl from WI seems to be a cautious listener to many things. Kay Granger seems to get it to, we will see as she is a short timer. The thing they do not get is that we do not get the same moving bennies that other corporations give employees of our level of compensation. I get the whole distorted pyramid deal with our profession and all, but someone will be either footing the PSY bill or the cost of buying guys out of their homes, and it will not be the government. It is a contentious issue, that we need to educate these lawmakers on. I know our PAC money is going that and it is important. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 726403)
Ahh, the classic class warfare.....:rolleyes: How about never forgetting or misrepresenting Delta pilots. NEVER.
There are a host of bad assumptions in this thread. First, there are over 3800 pilots flying out of Atlanta. Last number I saw only showed 2100 living withing a 2 hour driving radius. That means 1700 would be considered "commuters". Also, all those "senior" guys that you try to start class warfare with have seen the closing on the southside of BOS, MIA, MCO, ORD, IAH, DFW, MSY, SFO, PDX, SEA during the last 20 years. The North guys have a similar story. During that time there has also been a substantial reallocation of equipment from base to base that has caused a lot of displacements, many of which were during economic recession. Second, the majority of the "ALPA guys" either are commuters or have in the past. The current MEC Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Treasurer, Secretary, Transition Coordinator, Negotiating Committee Chairman and two members, Comm Chair, etc, are all commuters and most were prior to doing ALPA work. I'm guessing they don't hate commuters as they are commuters. Third, while this AE reduces the number of widebody seats in ATL, it's not the first time base realignment has happened. While mitigated by pilot retirements, Atlanta saw a very quick reduction in only partially replaced widebody positions when we parked the 56 TriStars and 15 MD-11's, replacing them with 21 767-400's and 7 777. Fourth, PG is right regarding sick leave. It's for when you're sick, not for when you can't commute. Both north and south took huge sick leave hits in bankruptcy. Guess what, when we got less sick leave and/or were paid less for it, it's use went WAY down. That's a direct cost (savings) to the contract, and ignoring or excusing the use of sick leave as platinum days/commuter protection ignores that it costs (and did cost) all of us. For the whiners on this point, calling people "management stooges" for pointing out the facts reflects a lack of integrity and ignores the reality that we've been through. Fifth, the group here is really good at attacking each other while ignoring the elephant in the room. Because of the reasons above, I'm very interested in seeing an "enhanced" commuter policy (I've been displaced just about as often as I've seen "entitlements" in my time here). That said, all the "pro-commuter" arguments in the world will fail when Congress panders and legislates a commuting policy based on the Colgan crash. What certain Senators want is draconian, and they don't appear to care that you're updside down in your house, have a sick family member, or a wife with a good job. They believe it is a choice.... It's not close to a done deal, but look at last week's Senate Aviation Safety hearing for what some of the rulemakers are thinking. Good post Slow. FWIW, I understand to a degree we are reasonably close to a more commuter friendly policy, kinda midway between N+S. Cool. (Some in) The Congress are trying to legislate something here that they have no business meddling with IMO. While I agree people should be rested and alert when they fly, there is no way to legislate the process by which that occurs. In the end it will always come down to the individuals circumstances prior to the flight. Sick kid all night in base without a commute is probably less restful than a nap in the black chair. Maybe Congress will refocus on another industry they have no business meddling with...NASCAR...By the way the baby Jesus is my favorite of the Jesuses. Merry Christmas. Scambo |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 726403)
Second, the majority of the "ALPA guys" either are commuters or have in the past. The current MEC Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Treasurer, Secretary, Transition Coordinator, Negotiating Committee Chairman and two members, Comm Chair, etc, are all commuters and most were prior to doing ALPA work. I'm guessing they don't hate commuters as they are commuters.
Fourth, PG is right regarding sick leave. It's for when you're sick, not for when you can't commute. Both north and south took huge sick leave hits in bankruptcy. Guess what, when we got less sick leave and/or were paid less for it, it's use went WAY down. That's a direct cost (savings) to the contract, and ignoring or excusing the use of sick leave as platinum days/commuter protection ignores that it costs (and did cost) all of us. For the whiners on this point, calling people "management stooges" for pointing out the facts reflects a lack of integrity and ignores the reality that we've been through. Fifth, the group here is really good at attacking each other while ignoring the elephant in the room. Because of the reasons above, I'm very interested in seeing an "enhanced" commuter policy (I've been displaced just about as often as I've seen "entitlements" in my time here). That said, all the "pro-commuter" arguments in the world will fail when Congress panders and legislates a commuting policy based on the Colgan crash. What certain Senators want is draconian, and they don't appear to care that you're updside down in your house, have a sick family member, or a wife with a good job. Second, as a former management type, our relocation packages were downright generous. In fact, we had the Company buying our houses, extra time off, all of our fees covered and relocation experts to make life easy for us. The relocation package in our contract is miserly. If Ed's or Richard's package is public, we could post them side by side and laugh at the contrast. As you well point out, in today's legal environment commuting might become illegal, or highly restricted. Something is going to have to give. Pilots can't take (in my case a well over $100,000 a year) the expense of chasing a job - not because they are "arrogant" but simply because they don't have the money, or they choose not to subsidize the Company's whims. I've not heard any good justification for this bid, other than it saves the Company money on hotel rooms. If true, the money has not been saved, the cost has simply been transferred to junior pilots. My guess is that there is more to it. The 757 is overstaffed (how'd it get that way :rolleyes: ) but they could have moved those jobs out of DTW just as easily as they could have moved them out of ATL. If we raise the issue loud enough collectively maybe we'll get some form of relief. If we push individual pilots under the bus, then they'll leave and management will enjoy replacing them with lower expense, lower longevity new hires. I'm one of those types who rarely calls in sick and never runs to the Doc for antibiotics. That will change if I commute for legitimate reasons. The lack of reliable sleep, convenient fresh food and uncertainty of guessing the progress of recovery 24 hours ahead of time will make me guess more conservatively. How much fuel would you put on the jet if you could never know the weather 24 hours in advance? How much fuel do you need when the window of uncertainty is only 45 minutes? Yeah, my sick calls will go up and Pineapple guy can say it is not legit if he wants, but if I feel sick 24 hours prior I'm calling it. In base the ability to take better care and check my condition 2 hours out has benefits for both the Company and me. |
Bar;
At least you are commuting and not quitting...... |
Did anybody watch the Montana/App State game yesterday? You missed a good one if ya didn't...
Oh, and how 'bout them Middies! |
AE preference question
I count 32 different categories/bases. This includes Dal's two 777 bases and Nwa's one 744 base. So I guess it's 31 options for Dal and 30 for Nwa.
As a junior guy I want to bid everything in a certain order. Obviously I won't get the 744 or 765 but would like to submit everything possible. Icrew only allows 16 options to submit AE preferences. Is there a way to add more or does it have to be 16 or less? Thanks. |
Originally Posted by jabwmu
(Post 726429)
I count 32 different categories/bases. This includes Dal's two 777 bases and Nwa's one 744 base. So I guess it's 31 options for Dal and 30 for Nwa.
As a junior guy I want to bid everything in a certain order. Obviously I won't get the 744 or 765 but would like to submit everything possible. Icrew only allows 16 options to submit AE preferences. Is there a way to add more or does it have to be 16 or less? Thanks. |
Originally Posted by jabwmu
(Post 726429)
I count 32 different categories/bases. This includes Dal's two 777 bases and Nwa's one 744 base. So I guess it's 31 options for Dal and 30 for Nwa.
As a junior guy I want to bid everything in a certain order. Obviously I won't get the 744 or 765 but would like to submit everything possible. Icrew only allows 16 options to submit AE preferences. Is there a way to add more or does it have to be 16 or less? Thanks. There is an addage... "Bid what you want, and want what you bid." Be very careful what/how you bid for "everything". And.. FWIW, if you don't get anything on this bid, you better make sure you review it periodically to make sure you still want THEN what you want NOW. Long story short.. Thisalmost bit me hard a few years back when I was awarded the most junior position on 767A in LAX. I was (and still am) living near MCO, and my wife had a fit when I told her I would be commuting to LA to sit reserve. Luck had it that I was able to get out of it, but there was much nail biting, and the stars had to align for me to bail. I was told by crew resources that.. too bad, so sad... that if certain other things didn't work, I would be stuck in LA. Anyway, the bottom line is that if you don't get awarded something... be sure to keep that standing bid updated, because sometime you WILL get that award, and itmight not be something you really want at that time. Free advice is worth what you pay for it... |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 726291)
Man!! I just had to catchup about 20+ pages from this morning! Saw that post by ACL and, of course, I had to throw in my 2 cents worth!:)
As far as I know they start working the bids right away. They are QC'd by the DALPA PBS guru's and are then released by the Company. The company runs many bids for the same category using different parameters and sends the one they like the best to QCers. Sometimes it gets sent back and rerun again. I've heard it can go back and forth a few times. The capt. bids in a particular base and category will be run before the FO bids to account for FO's that don't want to fly with a particular capt. Generally the capt bids start getting posted about the 14th and for the rest it is a "hit and miss" type release with some categories running up against the deadline. The bids are not "offical" until they are actually posted in DBMS. With that being said, my schedule has never changed from what was posted on the "bid awards" link on the crew resources page. Hope this helps. Denny Ferd |
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