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sevenfiveseven 12-16-2009 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 728166)
but 1+1=3 shouldn't mean huge displacement bids like the one coming up. Better than most, but not great.

You must believe that those seats leaving ATL will be permanent.....

boog123 12-16-2009 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 728174)
And keep in mind, the rumors ACL gets to us are done in good faith. Crew resources and planning, marketing, flight ops, etc probably have a dozen irons in the fire at any given time. I think ACL has done a good job ensuring what plan As and Bs dribble out here vs plan Cs and Ds. And from what I see he waits for multiple confirmations and no threat to his sources bit even then plans change fast.

I am sure he means well and checks his facts, but, IMO, alot of the information "leaked" to these public forums is done intentionally, with permission from the powers that be, which is fine.

sevenfiveseven 12-16-2009 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 728174)
And keep in mind, the rumors ACL gets to us are done in good faith. Crew resources and planning, marketing, flight ops, etc probably have a dozen irons in the fire at any given time. I think ACL has done a good job ensuring what plan As and Bs dribble out here vs plan Cs and Ds. And from what I see he waits for multiple confirmations and no threat to his sources bit even then plans change fast.

ACL is a smart man. He has the unique ability to connect the dots between publicly distributed information and make informed guesses as to where the corporate ship will steer next. He is correct more then he is incorrect.

boog123 12-16-2009 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven (Post 728179)
You must believe that those seats leaving ATL will be permanent.....

Nothing is permanent in the airline industry. Pilot's just have the shortest memories than anyone I know. But at least we are optimistic.

Xray678 12-16-2009 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven (Post 728179)
You must believe that those seats leaving ATL will be permanent.....

Permanent, no. But I think there will be more seats leaving ATL before any seats come back.

DAL4EVER 12-16-2009 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by upndsky (Post 728170)
On a lighter note:

YouTube - Craig Ferguson 12/14/9A Late Late Show beginning

I really like the comments towards the end. Then again, I'm partial.:D

I watched that the other night and was pleasantly surprised at his comments at the end and to hear that for the first time "Delta" and a "big comfy airplane" were used in the same sentence and the RJ was for Continental. Good goes around.

DAL4EVER 12-16-2009 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 728187)
Permanent, no. But I think there will be more seats leaving ATL before any seats come back.

From what I've heard and others as well is once the second 330 sim comes on line there will be a transfer of flying to ATL to offset the 765 flying going to JFK. Also, the big variable is where the bulk of the narrow body flying out of LGA will come from. Will it be NYC pilots or increased flying from ATL? Not that that helps the exodus of 450 widebody slots out of ATL. But at some point the big flying will come back here. I just think the next 18-24 months will be shared pain for all.

beer 12-16-2009 06:48 AM

If I knew someone in management to send the Craig Ferguson link to I would send it to them. Think of how many people have an experience like that on one of our DCI carriers and end up switching airlines!!!

DeadHead 12-16-2009 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 728166)
Read a little, staffing reports for 2010, parking 60 DC-9's since the merger was announced, all the 747-200's, bunch of 757's. A new route here and there should not make us all feel super secure about the future. Sorry, to be a bit negative, but 1+1=3 shouldn't mean huge displacement bids like the one coming up. Better than most, but not great.

Personally, not being an expert in network planning or staffing, even with these fleet reductions Delta will still have a very large, extensive operating fleet. I think we'll still be looking at around 10-12 different aircraft types which will more than likely require the extra staffing numbers.

Additionally, I don't think you can look at this, from an aircraft standpoint, as one for one. The staffing requirements, per aircraft, for a DC-9 compared to a B-777 are very different. I've heard somewhere in the range on 20-30 crews per B-777, again I'm not sure how that fairs to the DC-9.

I agree with you about getting to caught up in rumors and hearsay, so I'll choose to remain cautiously optimistic. I think for the foreseeable future, 1 year from now, Delta will stay for the most part flat in staffing balanced down the middle of hiring or furloughing.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...15-705619.html

I think the million dollar questions is if and when the economy starts to pick up. At this point it could go either way, and to try and speculate one way or the other is nothing more than an edumacated guess.

sevenfiveseven 12-16-2009 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 728186)
Nothing is permanent in the airline industry. Pilot's just have the shortest memories than anyone I know. But at least we are optimistic.

Agreed.


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 728187)
Permanent, no. But I think there will be more seats leaving ATL before any seats come back.

Maybe - go speak with your CP to get a better feel for what is planned.


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