Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-18-2009, 11:06 AM
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that is my understanding
12-18-2009, 11:12 AM
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SLC is junior if you look at what it takes to get into the base. The M88B category has guys in 98th percentile. However, if you look at the block holders, it becomes senior very quickly and very few people leave which means slow movement up any list. You can get there if you want to be on reserve, but moving up to good schedules can take a long time. It is also not the most commuter friendly base with all the RJ's doing most of the west coast flying and lots of early morning trips. The 320 might have more commutable stuff than the 88 does, but we'll see.
Basically, it's junior if you want to be on reserve, senior if you want good schedules, great if you live here, and an RJ nightmare if your going to commute from anywhere other than LAX.
Basically, it's junior if you want to be on reserve, senior if you want good schedules, great if you live here, and an RJ nightmare if your going to commute from anywhere other than LAX.
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12-18-2009, 11:18 AM
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12-18-2009, 11:47 AM
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In DAL, I heard reserves can pick-up trips from open time. Can someone explain the process? (Can I pick up 2 days in advance, can I pick up trips on my off days and trade in my reserve available days etc..). Thanks in advance.
12-18-2009, 12:01 PM
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If you mean in advance, no. The trips that are in open time can be picked up or traded by line holders up until the morning before. The morning before scheduling assigns trips to reserve pilots and thats when a reserve pilot can request which trips they'd prefer to fly if they have to fly.
Its kind of like bidding and first dibs go to the pilot with the lowest raw who is next up. But just like everything if you're available for four days they're not going to give you a day trip or two-day, you get to pick one of the four day trips and if there are no 4-days, and they have sufficient coverage, then you probably get short call or nothing because they're saving you for a 4-day if one pops up. I think they'd have to be very desperate to allow you to do anything less than a 4-day if you're available for 4 days.
Otherwise, the rest of the time is just saying you're willing to come in and fly on your day off for any trip (or any trip that meets parameters or for only a specific trip) that pops up same day or is open time for the next.
Its all spelled out in the PWA and they just go right down the rules in there as they assign trips.
Its kind of like bidding and first dibs go to the pilot with the lowest raw who is next up. But just like everything if you're available for four days they're not going to give you a day trip or two-day, you get to pick one of the four day trips and if there are no 4-days, and they have sufficient coverage, then you probably get short call or nothing because they're saving you for a 4-day if one pops up. I think they'd have to be very desperate to allow you to do anything less than a 4-day if you're available for 4 days.
Otherwise, the rest of the time is just saying you're willing to come in and fly on your day off for any trip (or any trip that meets parameters or for only a specific trip) that pops up same day or is open time for the next.
Its all spelled out in the PWA and they just go right down the rules in there as they assign trips.
12-18-2009, 12:27 PM
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Question for MSP DC9B guys...I'm trying to get up there on the 88, and I'm wondering what you're hearing as far as relatively senior DC9 FOs using a VD to displace into a higher-paying MSP position, and not creating many MDs at the bottom of the category, making the 88B more senior than one would have thought.
Anecdotally, what are you guys hearing?
Anecdotally, what are you guys hearing?
its going to happen in either of 2 ways, most guys bid it because they live in base and figure why not a slight pay bump and better trips. This will Cause the MSP DC9 category to go junior (or make DTW go more junior as DTW dc9 guys shift to MSP)
OR
Guys stay put not wanting to get the lock figuring its not worth the training time and slight pay raise thus causing the MSP 88 category to go junior.
This whole bid has major WHAT IFS and there will be alot of unforeseen ripple effects i'm sure.
12-18-2009, 12:41 PM
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If you mean in advance, no. The trips that are in open time can be picked up or traded by line holders up until the morning before. The morning before scheduling assigns trips to reserve pilots and thats when a reserve pilot can request which trips they'd prefer to fly if they have to fly.
Its kind of like bidding and first dibs go to the pilot with the lowest raw who is next up. But just like everything if you're available for four days they're not going to give you a day trip or two-day, you get to pick one of the four day trips and if there are no 4-days, and they have sufficient coverage, then you probably get short call or nothing because they're saving you for a 4-day if one pops up. I think they'd have to be very desperate to allow you to do anything less than a 4-day if you're available for 4 days.
Otherwise, the rest of the time is just saying you're willing to come in and fly on your day off for any trip (or any trip that meets parameters or for only a specific trip) that pops up same day or is open time for the next.
Its all spelled out in the PWA and they just go right down the rules in there as they assign trips.
Its kind of like bidding and first dibs go to the pilot with the lowest raw who is next up. But just like everything if you're available for four days they're not going to give you a day trip or two-day, you get to pick one of the four day trips and if there are no 4-days, and they have sufficient coverage, then you probably get short call or nothing because they're saving you for a 4-day if one pops up. I think they'd have to be very desperate to allow you to do anything less than a 4-day if you're available for 4 days.
Otherwise, the rest of the time is just saying you're willing to come in and fly on your day off for any trip (or any trip that meets parameters or for only a specific trip) that pops up same day or is open time for the next.
Its all spelled out in the PWA and they just go right down the rules in there as they assign trips.
12-18-2009, 12:49 PM
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If you mean in advance, no. The trips that are in open time can be picked up or traded by line holders up until the morning before. The morning before scheduling assigns trips to reserve pilots and thats when a reserve pilot can request which trips they'd prefer to fly if they have to fly.
Its kind of like bidding and first dibs go to the pilot with the lowest raw who is next up. But just like everything if you're available for four days they're not going to give you a day trip or two-day, you get to pick one of the four day trips and if there are no 4-days, and they have sufficient coverage, then you probably get short call or nothing because they're saving you for a 4-day if one pops up. I think they'd have to be very desperate to allow you to do anything less than a 4-day if you're available for 4 days.
Otherwise, the rest of the time is just saying you're willing to come in and fly on your day off for any trip (or any trip that meets parameters or for only a specific trip) that pops up same day or is open time for the next.
Its all spelled out in the PWA and they just go right down the rules in there as they assign trips.
Its kind of like bidding and first dibs go to the pilot with the lowest raw who is next up. But just like everything if you're available for four days they're not going to give you a day trip or two-day, you get to pick one of the four day trips and if there are no 4-days, and they have sufficient coverage, then you probably get short call or nothing because they're saving you for a 4-day if one pops up. I think they'd have to be very desperate to allow you to do anything less than a 4-day if you're available for 4 days.
Otherwise, the rest of the time is just saying you're willing to come in and fly on your day off for any trip (or any trip that meets parameters or for only a specific trip) that pops up same day or is open time for the next.
Its all spelled out in the PWA and they just go right down the rules in there as they assign trips.
Add to that the fact you can't figure out who is legal for what simply by looking at the Reserve Availability List. You'd have to look at individual schedules to understand who was legal for what, and you still couldn't figure out who the Scheduler would actually pick.
Same was true for making Short Call preferences: you get SC when the Scheduler decides you will get SC. Period.
Here is what you need to know about the Reserve System, and pretty much all you get to find out, since transparency is not a concern:
1) Seniority allows you to bid initial days off, and pretty much nothing else.
2) You will often get thiiiiiis close to the reserve guarantee. Sometimes you'll hit 67 hours, and, perversely, you'll get a trip that takes you to 70:06 flying rubber dog sh** to Hong-Kong, while someone junior to you will chill out at home.
3) You will either be flying, or on Short Call. Long Call is a sort of legend passed around by the older crews, to the amazement of current crews.
12-18-2009, 12:54 PM
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Same was true for making Short Call preferences: you get SC when the Scheduler decides you will get SC. Period.
Here is what you need to know about the Reserve System, and pretty much all you get to find out, since transparency is not a concern:
1) Seniority allows you to bid initial days off, and pretty much nothing else.
12-18-2009, 01:19 PM
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Can't find anything anywhere except from two people on APC that this is the case. I guess the big news of CAL getting wifi on the 16th overshadowed the SOC signing on Deltanet and the Tiger Woods saga has Yahoo news all tied up.
I just want to see the official news it's signed because if it is delayed we all have to wait longer to see the results of this dang bid that has us all losing sleep at night.
I just want to see the official news it's signed because if it is delayed we all have to wait longer to see the results of this dang bid that has us all losing sleep at night.
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