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Superpilot92 12-21-2009 04:33 PM

Sweet! i started the 2200 page!!

Sink r8 12-21-2009 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 730962)
In the end of the day, someone has to sit around and be on standby in case something goes wrong - there is no other way to run an airline. Other than raising the pay for reserve really high or giving them lots of days off (neither of which I see the other 80% that doesn't do reserve wanting to back) I can't see how you make reserve more desirable.

I really like the long call/short call system - it is heads above the other reserve systems I've been under which was only SC. Give it a few months for all these changes to be absorbed and we'll see how the North guys like the LC/SC. I know they had LC, but it sounded like it wasn't used much.

I think we can work through this together. First, we need to separate the idea of having standby flying, from the idea that it has to suck. So, for example, you can give Reserves not more days off, but simply the same days off as other pilots. You do this, for starters, by paying them the same number of hours as the other guy in the cockpit, or the guy that dropped the trip. Second, we need to make sure it's stand-by flying, not unscheduled lines. Third, Long Call should not be a legend, but a way of life. You should get some actual credit for sitting a short call. I think we actually could have 3 airport Ready-Reserve days, not 6 SC's, and a true LC otherwise. TWA had 15 hours call-out in the evening, 9 hours during the daytime. You could actually commute to it.

Finally, it would be absolutely essential to have a system the respects seniority, so that the amount of "suck" one has to endure is related to one's spot in the pecking order. Removing Scheduler discretion from the euqation, and letting people bid for Open Time that they are legal for would be a natural extension of this logic. Doing the same for SC assignments only makes sense.

Essentially, I'm describing the old system...

So it doesn't take a pay differential to make Reserve OK, nor does it take an extraordinary number of days off. It simply takes the same credit per day as a line holder, the same transparency with respect to trip assignments as WS and GS are given, the same ability to use seniority to chose between what is best and what is worse, and you've got yourself a system.

Bottom line: everyone on the fringes wants the important marginal aspects of the contract resolved. Show me a commuter interested in making Reserve more friendly and useful, and I'll show you a non-commuter willing to weigh in behind commuter issues. It's a win-win. Otherwise, I don't care to make your commute to my base better, so that I amy enjoy the resulting bump to Reserve. I apologize for sounding crude; it's not my intention. My point is that we do better when we strive to make everyone's life better.

Sink r8 12-21-2009 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 730972)
the maximum number of SC days is going to be a huge improvement for the n
NWA side. The LC was used on our side but you had to be senior enough to get it thus making only a few people able to enjoy being on LC from home. The really junior guys had to sit SC all month meaning sitting in a crashpad potentially half the month = nightmare for a commuter. The new rules are going to make being on reserve much more manageable. imho.

Bad news:
1) You rarely sit LC, unless you're flying. This winter is an exception.
2) Seniority has nothing to do with SC selection. The Scheduler decides. You can only ask to get SC faster. You can't try to duck it.

forgot to bid 12-21-2009 05:14 PM

Ouch... saw this is daily trip coverage:

Check in 22.20

Day FLT Departs Arrives
21 D1139 ATL 2250 XYZ 2354 1.04

XYZ 5.41/Hotel

22 1850 XYZ 0535 ATL 0641 1.06

Regular 5.15TL 1.06BL
Reserve 5.03TL 1.06BL

Thats a stand up overnight for sure. I'd sleep in the plane. :eek:

This is why you want to stay away from the @#%)(* ATL M88. :D My campaign continues. 10 more days and the AE closes.

(XYZ) = undisclosed nearby airport.

keenster 12-21-2009 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 730996)
Bad news:
1) You rarely sit LC, unless you're flying. This winter is an exception.
2) Seniority has nothing to do with SC selection. The Scheduler decides. You can only ask to get SC faster. You can't try to duck it.


Why will they not do Sc days back to back??

Superpilot92 12-21-2009 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 730996)
Bad news:
1) You rarely sit LC, unless you're flying. This winter is an exception.
2) Seniority has nothing to do with SC selection. The Scheduler decides. You can only ask to get SC faster. You can't try to duck it.

how can you rarely sit LC when they're limited to assigning you 6 SC's a month? I assume you're saying they fly EVERYONE alot and thus you dont sit much which still beats the crap out of sitting around SC all month with rarely getting called or getting alot of turns and still sitting around in a pad all month. Therefore, i'd say its good news compared to what we've been doing for the past few years. Not being able to choose your SC choices sucks but at least its only 6 times a month that you have to worry about SC. We had now limit on the number of SC's a month undet the NWA system fwiw

My point is ANYTHING is better than sitting SC the majority of the month :eek:

keenster 12-21-2009 05:27 PM

Hey Super are you close to getting bumped out???

Superpilot92 12-21-2009 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by keenster (Post 731013)
Hey Super are you close to getting bumped out???

I hope not cause my next step is to senior kiteflyer ;) I was bumped out of the bus in April so i'm hoping to get reinstated back to the bus or just stay where i'm at.

Dirtdiver 12-21-2009 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 730651)
In the USAF, you could sit Alpha-standby for up to 48 hours. This can and was waived at times up to 5 days. :(

You are confusing an expected alert time with standby forces. If you had an expected alert time, then yes, you enterred crew rest after 6 hours.


Man, am I glad I was little MAC instead of SAC like you!

The only alpha alert we ever saw was at the front end of a PNAF mission, and they were doing it for me, not to me.:D

FrankCobretti 12-21-2009 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 731012)
how can you rarely sit LC when they're limited to assigning you 6 SC's a month?

I just sat three days of LC. Cleaned and painted my mudroom and got paid to do it. Tell me this isn't a great job.


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