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Getting Removed from a rotation for an OE
Guys,
Let me start off by saying that I have read When Scheduling Calls and have attempted to follow the PWA about this topic, but I was wondering I should do. Situation: I have a 4-day rotation departing on Christmas day which reports around 15:00. I just checked and it appears that there is an FO OE with the LCA I'm on the rotation with. I'd really love to be kicked off the rotation and stay home on Christmas day rather than commuting all the way to base and then getting kicked off. I know that I am subject to recovery flying (which sucks) but I don't see anything in open time reporting AFTER my scheduled report on Xmas day. What I'm wondering is how I should approach this. Should I contact the LCA and get kicked off now (if he concurs) or wait until closer to report?? Crew Scheds can put me on anything that reports no earlier than my scheduled rotation but I get lost in the PWA when it talks about recovery flying assigned more than 24 hours prior to my scheduled report sends me to a section of the PWA etc. I was wondering what happens if I get removed by the LCA within 12 hours of my scheduled report before I commute. WSC makes me think I cannot be given recovery flying in that case: "The Company must attempt to notify him of his recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to his original report. If he has not been assigned recovery flying by that time, he has no further recovery obligation." I know it says I can be assigned any trip as long as it is after my original report and has to end within 4 hours of original release not to exceed the same calendar day. But can they still do it within 12 of my original report? Seems like they could since they would just be finding out about my removal. Does anyone have some insight/experience with this? I think this might be the situation where you have to be "promptly available" for assignment for x hours after scheduled report etc (ex post facto reserve pilot). Another question: Why do we allow the company to get a "free" body to cover a trip due to OE. It seems to me that if you get kicked off because of an OE, your seat is covered and the company was going to have to pay the OE guy anyway, so why should we be subject to a crappy trip which they couldn't cover and you didn't bid for? Seems like you should be paid and sent home. Shouldn't it just be the cost of doing business (training)? Thanks in advance...Philly |
For questions like this, just call the union. They will have the answer on what you should do.
I was in a similar situation the first month I was with the company. I called the union, and found out what I needed to know. |
Originally Posted by Philly
(Post 731501)
Guys,
Let me start off by saying that I have read When Scheduling Calls and have attempted to follow the PWA about this topic, but I was wondering I should do. Situation: I have a 4-day rotation departing on Christmas day which reports around 15:00. I just checked and it appears that there is an FO OE with the LCA I'm on the rotation with. I'd really love to be kicked off the rotation and stay home on Christmas day rather than commuting all the way to base and then getting kicked off. I know that I am subject to recovery flying (which sucks) but I don't see anything in open time reporting AFTER my scheduled report on Xmas day. What I'm wondering is how I should approach this. Should I contact the LCA and get kicked off now (if he concurs) or wait until closer to report?? Crew Scheds can put me on anything that reports no earlier than my scheduled rotation but I get lost in the PWA when it talks about recovery flying assigned more than 24 hours prior to my scheduled report sends me to a section of the PWA etc. I was wondering what happens if I get removed by the LCA within 12 hours of my scheduled report before I commute. WSC makes me think I cannot be given recovery flying in that case: "The Company must attempt to notify him of his recovery flying at least 12 hours prior to his original report. If he has not been assigned recovery flying by that time, he has no further recovery obligation." I know it says I can be assigned any trip as long as it is after my original report and has to end within 4 hours of original release not to exceed the same calendar day. But can they still do it within 12 of my original report? Seems like they could since they would just be finding out about my removal. Does anyone have some insight/experience with this? I think this might be the situation where you have to be "promptly available" for assignment for x hours after scheduled report etc (ex post facto reserve pilot). Another question: Why do we allow the company to get a "free" body to cover a trip due to OE. It seems to me that if you get kicked off because of an OE, your seat is covered and the company was going to have to pay the OE guy anyway, so why should we be subject to a crappy trip which they couldn't cover and you didn't bid for? Seems like you should be paid and sent home. Shouldn't it just be the cost of doing business (training)? Thanks in advance...Philly |
Yep, call them, but you are at top of the reserve list if they notify you prior to report. If you are notified at report things change.
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He should just call in sick. Why deal with this stress?
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Merry Christmas! :D
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28k recovery: It's like getting a titty twister from scheduling. |
OUUUUUUUUUCHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Nice pic! 80, you're like that FNC show Red Eye, comedy and facts at 2am. I'd hate to be a commuter and get 23K'd. What is it again, if you haven't shown then they have 6 hours after your show to assign you something and it must be done by midnight of the last day of your original trip or 4 hours after you were supposed to originally sign in, whichever is later. So if you're original trip ended at 1045am then they can fly you to midnight but if ended at 1045pm then they can fly you up until 4 hours after 1045pm which is 245 in the am. Is that right? Oh mighty lamp shade dog of the midnight hour? |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 731562)
He should just call in sick. Why deal with this stress?
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 731602)
And you guys wonder why we lost our great sick leave program we used to have??? :mad::mad:
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