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Cogf16 01-05-2010 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 738470)
On a separate note, just back from training and came away with no new information except the 4th floor was hopping.

The new hotel is great and even through a free food/drink reception for us last night. Expecting cheese and beer and wound up with a beef carving station, shrimp chicken - the works plus free beer!

They're supposed to be repeating this each Mon night for the net month.

New training hotel in ATL? Did we leave the Comfort?

FlyingViking 01-05-2010 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 738733)
New training hotel in ATL? Did we leave the Comfort?

Yeah, but it is a secret so don't tell anyone..... I have personally not experienced this as I stayed at Comfort 2 weeks ago for my CQ...

buzzpat 01-05-2010 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 738729)
Quito isn't considered an "ocean crossing" but you should be getting international pay for the trip. Did you check your pay statement to see if it's there?

“International operation” means a flight segment to or from an airport, or between airports, located outside the contiguous 48 states of the United States. Exception: A flight segment to or from an airport located in Canada or Alaska will not be considered an international operation.

“International pay” means an hourly pay premium paid to a pilot for flight time flown in an international operation.


I think the reason the company wanted to move the Ocean Crossing line further south was that flights with an Ocean Crossing cannot be part of a domestic category (ie: 73N) so they would have to make a separate, international category of 737 pilots.

Also, in the PWA an Ocean Crossing has more rest requirements after the flight when you get back to base:

For purposes of line construction only, a pilot will be scheduled for a break-in-duty at base of at least:
a. 11 hours following a duty period that does not include an ocean crossing.
b. 18 hours following a duty period that includes an ocean crossing (subject to Section 23 M. 8.).

Partially true. The company changed the PWA to move the international line south of Quito when they bought the 700. At that time, they began to type the 73 FOs for international flights and a three pilot concept. The "dinner and a movie" for 73 guys was born. The company renegotiated what constituted an international flight south of the equator at the time. We 73 guys were trained and qualified for international flight at that time. Bottom line: we do plenty of ocean crossings that are outside of Canada and Alaska that are not paid for international time. I'm not complaining. I flew C-141s internationally for 20 years. I get it. Just saying that if one category gets paid to fly south of the equator, then all categories should. Another issue for DALPA to enjoin.

DAL4EVER 01-05-2010 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingViking (Post 738737)
Yeah, but it is a secret so don't tell anyone... I have personally not experienced this as I stayed at Comfort 2 weeks ago for my CQ...

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80ktsClamp 01-05-2010 07:19 PM

Gentlemen....the time is 2318 eastern, Mrs. Clamp just went to bed... so welcome to the Clamp show.

I've got my glass of courvoisiere (which oddly looks like a glass of milk) right here, so I'm doin real good.

Go ahead callers...

DAL4EVER 01-05-2010 07:21 PM

So 80, I've got this awkward itch....

80ktsClamp 01-05-2010 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 738746)
So 80, I've got this awkward itch....


"Yeth, might I suggest the butt?

hoserpilot 01-05-2010 07:23 PM

Did you guys look at the pictures on the godfather bar website?? Two guys among the girls just scream pilot. Wish my captain took me to bars like that.:)

iaflyer 01-05-2010 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 738741)
Bottom line: we do plenty of ocean crossings that are outside of Canada and Alaska that are not paid for international time. I'm not complaining. I flew C-141s internationally for 20 years. I get it. Just saying that if one category gets paid to fly south of the equator, then all categories should. Another issue for DALPA to enjoin.

I believe you, but the contract doesn't say that. The two sections I quoted are the only sections that talk about international pay, that I can find.

Ocean crossings aren't connected to international pay, from what I read.

By "Ocean crossings" I mean the definition in the PWA (which is long, and I won't put the whole thing here, but this is what was changed to accomodate Quito I believe:

“Ocean crossing” means a flight segment...
to or from an airport in South America, as follows:
1) between the United States and any point further south of the equator than 3 degrees, 30 minutes south latitude on the South American continent, and

Bucking Bar 01-05-2010 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 738706)
DAL used to draw the international line (south) at the equator. Now that we 73 guys fly to Quito, they've changed the pay rules (and moved the equator south of Quito). No international pay for us!! And no soup for you!!

What about Manaus? I don't think it pays international, yet it is South of S 03.00 Latitude. Oh' by the way, while checking out Godfather's I was reminded of a central truth about life taught to me by a sage from Indiana.

You're watching that cheerleader queen walking home from school
You know that she's just seventeen but you know that your the fool
I'm telling you you can't touch that stuff with money and a fancy car
You better take some cool advice my friend ... Learn how to play guitar


http://www.godfathersbar.com/images/...rPhotos086.JPG


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