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Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 752656)
I am planning to run for MEC Comm chairman, hopefully that is an electable position.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 752652)
If I would run, it would not be in C44. It appears that these four will be here through the new contract. Who knows what will develop, but I assume they will run again in 2012. Lots o options, maybe I should run in DFW :D I keed I keed.
They have three year terms. So it looks like you would have to wait until 3/1/13..... There is always NYC,SEA, and MEM that are up for a vote at the end of this year. I think you should set your sights on GUM...... (hear the laughter). I think you should run, if you want. |
Atcha..........
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Originally Posted by Kingbird87
(Post 752714)
When you climb down from "The Upper Deck" Carl, it's amazing how the aura just clings to you. It is indeed fortunate for these young, influential airline pilots at APC that you share your pearls of wisdom.
Sorry but I have to agree with Carl. We do live in a country of free speach last time I checked. This is a forum for discussion and ideas, compliants or whatever one may desire to put on here. If you are so worried about the company peering over your shoulder, then live that way and enjoy your life. To try and squelch what people are saying does no one any good that I can see. It seems that you have a certain aura as well. To be able to claim that everyone one on here is a young influential pilot is very assuming on your part. Assume : ass-u-me!!! |
Guys, why are we picking a fight over the issue of who is reading the forums? Yes, we live in a society of free speech. But free speech does not come without consequences. We are free to speak as we choose, but depending on the subject matter there could be consequences for what we say. I agree with Kingbird that it is foolish to post anything that could be construed or inferred to be an illegal work action. This has bit other union members hard in the past. The fact that we don't use our real names means nothing. If anyone posts a recommendation that we do things that are within our control but that affects the company's performance or stats and those things come to pass, the company need only show past performance or operating trends to an arbitrator or judge and our lives become very difficult.
An injunction or financial penalty against the union could be triggered and any hopes of negotiating a contract in an established timeline become fantasy. Now before anyone questions my integrity or support of the union I would show them my battlestar on my ALPA lapel pin and past and current support of our association and PAC. My point is that negotiating with the company and trying to break them through historical strong arm tactics is past. Look at what's going with AMR and CAL right now. Any luck or progress on a contract? While I'm not a defender of everything Lee and Co. have done I can say that I believe they figured out a very successful way of negotiating with the Co. They went to Wall Street, the creditors, the politicians and they sold them our value to the company and what our lack of support can mean. That's why we avoided the 1113 and that's why we were able to get LOAs with contractual gains. While they weren't perfect, we are better than we were. Our union has spent considerable resources trying to improve our negotiating capital. Let's not urinate it away by letting our emotions get in the way of a professional, well thought out plan. C2012 is around the corner and we will have a strategy and a plan for those talks. While not perfect, our MEC has been battle tested and I expect those leaders to build on lessons of the past as we go into our upcoming talks. |
Originally Posted by DogWhisperer
(Post 752755)
Atcha..........
Atcha who? |
Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
(Post 752777)
Guys, why are we picking a fight over the issue of who is reading the forums? Yes, we live in a society of free speech. But free speech does not come without consequences. We are free to speak as we choose, but depending on the subject matter there could be consequences for what we say. I agree with Kingbird that it is foolish to post anything that could be construed or inferred to be an illegal work action. This has bit other union members hard in the past. The fact that we don't use our real names means nothing. If anyone posts a recommendation that we do things that are within our control but that affects the company's performance or stats and those things come to pass, the company need only show past performance or operating trends to an arbitrator or judge and our lives become very difficult.
An injunction or financial penalty against the union could be triggered and any hopes of negotiating a contract in an established timeline become fantasy. Now before anyone questions my integrity or support of the union I would show them my battlestar on my ALPA lapel pin and past and current support of our association and PAC. My point is that negotiating with the company and trying to break them through historical strong arm tactics is past. Look at what's going with AMR and CAL right now. Any luck or progress on a contract? While I'm not a defender of everything Lee and Co. have done I can say that I believe they figured out a very successful way of negotiating with the Co. They went to Wall Street, the creditors, the politicians and they sold them our value to the company and what our lack of support can mean. That's why we avoided the 1113 and that's why we were able to get LOAs with contractual gains. While they weren't perfect, we are better than we were. Our union has spent considerable resources trying to improve our negotiating capital. Let's not urinate it away by letting our emotions get in the way of a professional, well thought out plan. C2012 is around the corner and we will have a strategy and a plan for those talks. While not perfect, our MEC has been battle tested and I expect those leaders to build on lessons of the past as we go into our upcoming talks.
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 752222)
You know what they say about knowledge.....
WHEN IS EMPLOYEE BLOGGING PROTECTED BY SECTION 7 OF THE NLRA? KATHERINE M. SCOTT http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dlt...06DLTR0017.pdf Just read the posts above and let me know what you think after reading that. Personally I attacked King for even thinking in that direction, what a loser (looser for you FtB...:D) emidiately after he post it. The only one agreeing with me is Carl, but that will change after more people read the above statement..... Just like "bid what you want and want what you bid", say it here or shut up and do not complain it afterwards.... |
Originally Posted by Kingbird87
(Post 752714)
When you climb down from "The Upper Deck" Carl, it's amazing how the aura just clings to you. It is indeed fortunate for these young, influential airline pilots at APC that you share your pearls of wisdom.
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
(Post 752777)
Guys, why are we picking a fight over the issue of who is reading the forums? Yes, we live in a society of free speech. But free speech does not come without consequences. We are free to speak as we choose, but depending on the subject matter there could be consequences for what we say. I agree with Kingbird that it is foolish to post anything that could be construed or inferred to be an illegal work action. This has bit other union members hard in the past. The fact that we don't use our real names means nothing. If anyone posts a recommendation that we do things that are within our control but that affects the company's performance or stats and those things come to pass, the company need only show past performance or operating trends to an arbitrator or judge and our lives become very difficult.
An injunction or financial penalty against the union could be triggered and any hopes of negotiating a contract in an established timeline become fantasy. Now before anyone questions my integrity or support of the union I would show them my battlestar on my ALPA lapel pin and past and current support of our association and PAC. My point is that negotiating with the company and trying to break them through historical strong arm tactics is past. Look at what's going with AMR and CAL right now. Any luck or progress on a contract? While I'm not a defender of everything Lee and Co. have done I can say that I believe they figured out a very successful way of negotiating with the Co. They went to Wall Street, the creditors, the politicians and they sold them our value to the company and what our lack of support can mean. That's why we avoided the 1113 and that's why we were able to get LOAs with contractual gains. While they weren't perfect, we are better than we were. Our union has spent considerable resources trying to improve our negotiating capital. Let's not urinate it away by letting our emotions get in the way of a professional, well thought out plan. C2012 is around the corner and we will have a strategy and a plan for those talks. While not perfect, our MEC has been battle tested and I expect those leaders to build on lessons of the past as we go into our upcoming talks. Excellent post! |
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