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Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 785765)
I think that's the problem, you max out with just pax and bags. No room left for cargo. I even heard anecdotaly from an agent there last summer that an ER had to take some of the bus' bags for that reason.
It is a great people moving machine though. Takes a lot of people a long way. I think we are printing money in underwing cargo so the 330 seems to be leaving money on the table. Do you we have both 200 and 300 models? Last I heard, DAL was going to pony up for the "Product Improvement Package" for the 330 which ups the gross weight. NWA was notoriously stingy on stuff like that. They asked Boeing to leave the taxi light off of the 727s so they could use a 707 towbar. Nu |
Originally Posted by Waves
(Post 785863)
I beleive the extension you are referring to was the second extension and not the extension I was referring to. It was as you say a short extension. We did have pilots retire from both categories, but it was the 777 they threatened to park for lack of Captains, not the 767. Additionally they were only allowed to fly IOE's in the extension part only, because they failed to train anyone during the first year. I could be completely wrong on this, but that is how old memory serves. Thanks.
P.S.: I beleive you may be mistaken. We were never short on 767 Captains or instructors until they finally started converting guys to the 777. There was no excuse for not training new 777 guys and at the same time training 767 replacements. e. The Company will terminate the employment of any post-retirement pilot who remains employed effective no later than 2359 hours of the last day of the December, 2005 bid period. In early December 2005, letter 50, which was the short duration agreement that established the arbitration panel for contract rejection and had the 14% pay cut, was the one and only extension of the PRP program and the extension expired in February 2006. Many people thought there was an extension because the PRP program basically died in early 2005 due to no retirements and no need. It became active again in summer 2005 as it became more and more likely that Delta was headed to Chapter 11. It may have felt like the program was extended then, but it was just taken out of mothballs and really ramped up in the fall of 2005. The bottleneck was always in the 767/ER program. Any 777 shortages resulted from the inability to pull out 767/ER pilots to train as that category was grossly understaffed. As I said before it was stretched at both ends, pilots moving up due to retirements and pilots retiring in category. An additional complicating factor was the closure of the DFW base. DFW had shrunk down from a base with L-1011 and 767 flying to an MD-88 only base. The pilots left there were very senior. They had been displaced and the majority of those pilots had been displaced to 767/ER slots. However, they couldn't go to school until they actually closed the category. Our scheduling committee recommended that they close the base early to put those pilots in 767/ER school and get them on the line and the company accepted their recommendation. (this also led to a very sad chapter in DALPA history, but that story is for another day) They had delayed the decision too long, until July 2005, and the shortage just got worse as we approached bankruptcy. We started digging out of the hole when the liquidity shortfall hit and early retirement distributions were shut off in October of 2005. The company was unsure if they could finish the backfilling by December 2005, the original end date, and they asked for the small extension in letter 50. The whole point was to train pilots into higher paying positions, so it seemed like a no brainer. They got rid of all the PRP's with only a three week extension. The company finally fully caught up with staffing around the late spring 2006 and started recalls about a year after that. |
Originally Posted by Hoser
(Post 785890)
And the spare 146, the all-white one, had 100 seats if I recall correctly. And it flew every day, usually full, in addition to the other 4-88 seaters, so it really wasn't a spare. I believe ASA could have acquired up to 20 146s according to the agreement.
Hoser Since 1989 :D ROLL TIDE! |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 785906)
The initial PRP agreement was signed in September 2004 and the duration was until December 31, 2005. This was the original language from the LOA:
e. The Company will terminate the employment of any post-retirement pilot who remains employed effective no later than 2359 hours of the last day of the December, 2005 bid period. In early December 2005, letter 50, which was the short duration agreement that established the arbitration panel for contract rejection and had the 14% pay cut, was the one and only extension of the PRP program and the extension expired in February 2006. Many people thought there was an extension because the PRP program basically died in early 2005 due to no retirements and no need. It became active again in summer 2005 as it became more and more likely that Delta was headed to Chapter 11. It may have felt like the program was extended then, but it was just taken out of mothballs and really ramped up in the fall of 2005. The bottleneck was always in the 767/ER program. Any 777 shortages resulted from the inability to pull out 767/ER pilots to train as that category was grossly understaffed. As I said before it was stretched at both ends, pilots moving up due to retirements and pilots retiring in category. An additional complicating factor was the closure of the DFW base. DFW had shrunk down from a base with L-1011 and 767 flying to an MD-88 only base. The pilots left there were very senior. They had been displaced and the majority of those pilots had been displaced to 767/ER slots. However, they couldn't go to school until they actually closed the category. Our scheduling committee recommended that they close the base early to put those pilots in 767/ER school and get them on the line and the company accepted their recommendation. (this also led to a very sad chapter in DALPA history, but that story is for another day) They had delayed the decision too long, until July 2005, and the shortage just got worse as we approached bankruptcy. We started digging out of the hole when the liquidity shortfall hit and early retirement distributions were shut off in October of 2005. The company was unsure if they could finish the backfilling by December 2005, the original end date, and they asked for the small extension in letter 50. The whole point was to train pilots into higher paying positions, so it seemed like a no brainer. They got rid of all the PRP's with only a three week extension. The company finally fully caught up with staffing around the late spring 2006 and started recalls about a year after that. |
Random question. Does anyone know what it means when a travelnet listing shows 16 seats available in first but only 3 authorized to sell. The airport standby list shows all 16 seats available in first. What's the deal? The aircraft is an A-319 if that makes any difference.
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 785932)
Random question. Does anyone know what it means when a travelnet listing shows 16 seats available in first but only 3 authorized to sell. The airport standby list shows all 16 seats available in first. What's the deal? The aircraft is an A-319 if that makes any difference.
When the seats are shown as available, the passenger has not checked in yet... typically. |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 785671)
I could've used one of these today to grab some lunch in Downtown Memphis. 2 Blocks to Beale St, and I thought I was going to have to beat the beggars off me. :mad: Get a job you LAZY JERKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to start carrying McDonald's applications and pens. Then when they ask for $$$ I'll hand them that and add 'You get free food as well, so it's a double bonus.':mad: |
Any latest and greatest on Delta hiring? Also any rumors of dal pulling 10 744's and 25 767's out of the desert. Heard that and they were short widebody staffing. how Does the 22d3 staffing report compare with dec 2010 catagory lists?
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 785957)
I could've used one of these today to grab some lunch in Downtown Memphis. 2 Blocks to Beale St, and I thought I was going to have to beat the beggars off me. :mad:
Get a job you LAZY JERKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to start carrying McDonald's applications and pens. Then when they ask for $$$ I'll hand them that and add 'You get free food as well, so it's a double bonus.':mad: |
Originally Posted by Gladioslave
(Post 785960)
Any latest and greatest on Delta hiring? Also any rumors of dal pulling 10 744's and 25 767's out of the desert. Heard that and they were short widebody staffing. how Does the 22d3 staffing report compare with dec 2010 category lists?
I would say that we will have a definitive answer to you hiring question in the next few months. To further clarify, I believe that letters asking for intention of ones desire to recall will be coming out before the middle of summer. The May 2010 AE will shed light on a few things. Not all but a few. |
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