fNW each pilots TO and landing currency was printed at the top of the paperwork. Made it hard to deny knowledge of any currency requirements.
OTOH we had a few guys that liked getting an extra day of pay every 3 months...

While I agree with you, BOS is probably not a good example. AS has been flying out of BOS since AA pulled out of BOS-SEA years ago. AS has been flying BOS-SEA and BOS-PDX since well before the code share agreement with DL. On the other hand - I heard that DL announced pulling out of PDX-HNL. A few days later, AS announced new service on that route. Not good.

Uh, what? This looks like you are mixing fences from 2 seperate mergers. Weren't the republic guys fenced off of ALL widebodies for 20 years? If that is correct, the rest of your discussion is irrelevant. Now... if the 747 is moved to ATL, you are somewhat correct in that fDAL guys cannot bid it.. but nobody from the fNWA side is prevented from doing so. i.e. all those Republic guys that couldn't get it before would then be able to get there as it would be a new base.

Forever recall rights no longer apply, and I was told that your perception of a permanent fence is correct, so dalpa got rid of that.

For those of you discussing rest breaks, here is the guide line from Section 3 of the FOM:

The Pilot in Command (PIC) will:

• Determine each pilot's rest period after due consideration of individual
desires and regulatory requirements.


Denny

RP currency is a problem, no doubt. Like someone else said, you sometimes have to speak up to get a leg. And although it does nothing for landing currency, if we split TO/landing duties for FOs, this ensures at least some manipulation of the machine. Better than nothing I guess... But if you have a cool captain :cool:, he will at least entertain the idea of giving up a landing for some guy that has flown 6 legs without a landing.. or at least I would hope. I have given up both legs before, and I am sure I am not alone. I don't know the solution, but I think now that the issue has been raised, it will be brought to the forefront at the next Standards meeting.

Your PS: I guess that would be OK.... for now.. until the fence comes down, but then the 747 might be a rogue nation. Someday there WILL be a cross cultural exchange.. then what? I don't know which way is better on that airplane since I don't (and probably never will) fly it. I think a wait and see approach might be the best course of action for now. I do get the sense of (dare I say) resistance from fNWA captains. But it is their cockpit, they can operate it within the bounds set by the company. I find it amusing that I hear poetic waxing for SOPA/SMAC type of duty designation, yet when offered the latitude to operate the way you want, they are still unhappy. Do they want the company to come down with a hammer and say "This is the way breaks will be operated"? Carl?

Thanks finis, I'll tell the guys.

I know that DAL management is giving the issue and the LCA's white paper "another serious look." The LCA's are just advocating an option to leave it to the discretion of the crew if they think an alternate method will achieve better crew rest and currency.

There might just be just the tiniest in that stone wall. Maybe.

Carl

What does THAT mean?

alfa, I don't know why you do this. What you've written is completely untrue. All 744 Capts that were displaced have now all been returned to position after the Roberts fences came down. Please read that previous sentence again. Get copies of the old bid lists and read it for yourself. There has been no process to accelerate because the latest AE is another example of both former sides getting the new positions - nobody locked out, rather both gaining.

You shouldn't read this as me being defensive - it's just setting the record straight. Not that any of this matters to the discussion, but since you brought it up during a discussion of crew rest, I just want to let you know that you are demonstrably, provably wrong.

Carl

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That is incorrect. The republic guys were fenced off of just the airplanes that NWA had at the time of the merger. After the merger, we purchased 6 more 747-400's to bring the total to 16, and a number of additional DC-10's. All those additional aircraft were shared by the premerger groups. Prior to the fences coming down nearly 2/3rds of the republic group retired as wide body captains.

That's been done with for quite a while now. The latest AE was the latest example of wide body flying going to both of the premerger sides base on straight date of hire seniority. It's been that way since the fences came down in 2006.

Carl