as long as you wear the purple pimp widget hat;)

zing! The good news is that DC-9 captains always prevail as per history.

Tighten up that scarf, goggles, and pimp hat.

Really interesting thing here. Did anyone notice? At the request for an example, I posted the issue, job titles and the initials of the people involved. The response? You're a whiner, baby, bed wetter, and we can't possibly believe you without the names and details of the letter.

Here we have a post where a fDAL guy posts what is bolded above. And I quote?? From whom? No titles initials or hints of who may have said this. But instead of demanding the same that was demanded of me, nothing but acceptance as if it were fact. I've read ahead a bit hoping that someone would at least question anything about this post, but nope. Just the following folks who used its quotes in posts of their own:

At least Check Essential posts a title of who said it to him

Really disappointed in you ACL. As a moderator, I would have thought you would have noticed the lack of any referencing at all.

Don't even know what this means as none of it is true. There was almost no changes to relative positions after Roberts fences ended. But, whatever. Some people find it important to speak with authority about a situation they didn't even work in.

Anyone that is able to look at this fairly must see the glaring double standard in this one little example.

Carl

How about profits big enough to zero out all long term debt, and raise our free cash balance to about 10 billion?

Too rosey ? :)

Carl

Actually, none of the LCA's threatened to quit. They simply wrote what is essentially a "white paper" on their position and included quite a bit a data from numerous studies on fatigue and other issues. When the DAL folks read it and gave no reason as to why they didn't want to change the policy, the meeting did get heated (according to a number of the LCA's I've spoken with that were in the room), but stayed professional. Heated, but professional.

The short answer is that the DAL way of doing things has the guys taking breaks every two hours or so. Besides the obvious issue of flight deck crew members making multiple trips from the cockpit to the rest area, our guys had studies that showed this is not optimal for getting rested. The other area is the DAL policy of the same crew performing both the takeoff and the landing. Since most of the fDAL trips were over and backs, it worked out great. One crew made the takeoff and landing going over, and the other crew did it coming back. Much easier to stay current. Our trips on the 744 and A330 are 10, 11, 12 and 13 day trips where you have crew changes on every leg. This makes it much more difficult to stay current if you are unlucky enough to always be the junior crew while the senior crew makes the takeoff and the landing, then moves on. It's resulting in a huge increase in the need for crew members to get requaled in the sim. Our guys' concern was not only the increased cost of the unnecessary training, but the problem of crews' proficiency.

There are a few other issues (read security and safety related) that don't belong on a public forum, but that is the short version.

Carl

Um, yes but??

Ettu Brute...I mean FTB?? ;)

Carl

Sure. If you don't mind a little chlorine staining from fishing Baby Ruths out of the dang pool.

Carl

Wow! This could be the deal of a lifetime! How could we lose!

Carl

Blasphemer!!

Carl

Carl

The point is and will remain that throwing grenades here at DAL does not work well. No more no less

You can be disappointed in that statement.

I am aware of the issue and the statement holds true for all parties involved