Well they have to PS on RJ's because not all flights to the hubs are mainline so i dont know how they could say no. I have training next month in MSP and I'll be booking myself on CPZ to get there on my own since we can book ourselves to training.

I think they're interpreting where it says no "offline" PS deviations as "None Mainline". :cool: Which is wrong, that means they wont book you on CAL, AA, SWA, etc, not OUR own feed!!

Going to requal training at Natco in April. Dfw in all rjs except the last flight of the day. Do I have to go up the night before day 1 (1400 show) and if so will they cover an extra hotel?

When I was in training (two years ago) they told us we could book our own Positive Space travel to/from ATL... but only on mainline flights or wholy-owned DCI. They were very specific about that.

Of course, things change...

As of last week, you could book positive space for training on Mainline, and any wholly owned DCI + Pinnacle. Would not book me positive space on an ASA flight that I needed.

It's in the contract-

A pilot will:

a. receive positive space coach transportation on Company aircraft or on wholly owned DCI carriers, and Pinnacle (so long as it remains a DCI carrier), to travel between the training location and any Company station:

1) before and after training.
2) at his request during each duty-free period of 48 hours or more, if sales are authorized at the time of his attempted booking.

b. receive the highest space available priority among Delta non-revenue travelers on non-wholly owned DCI carriers (other than Pinnacle) to travel between the training location and any Company station before and after training.

Yes but whats the rules on Deviating from a DH? Its my understanding that we're supposed to be able to get PS home on any of the above as well.

Super,

I was a victim to this too, and I looked in the contract and it uses the term "on-line" when saying "positive space" (PS). I did a search for the term hoping it would be defined. In only one place it says "on-line (Delta Air Lines, Inc.)" but never defined the term completely. Does DAL Inc. not own some of the regionals? I might understand if they differentiated wholly-owned, but it seems that it should say mainline in the contract if that is what they mean as it seems (which they shouldn't).

I had my last leg of the rotation (PHX-JFK) canx'd too and was given the dreaded double deadhead back to base (PHX-DTW-JFK). Since they were deadheading me on 2 legs that means I could get 2 PS tix as long as I didn't go thru my base along the way. Unfortunately they rerouted all the pax on my canx'd flight thru ATL where I wanted to go to get home causing all the seats to be gone so that I couldn't get a PS to ATL! By the time I knew about the canx, the pax had been rerouted and a deviating pilot couldn't get PS because all the revs had been accomodated into the "seats available." I tried to take the assigned DH to DTW and then deviate from there on a PS from DTW-home on PCL, but got the same unable on regional. I was lucky enough to get a jumpseat from PHX to ATL, and a PS ticket from ATL on the second leg of my trek home only to have a mechanical in ATL and all of those pax accomodated on the next flights filling up all the seats and once again removing my chance of PS on the second leg too! The cockpit JS was booked on all remaining flights and I would have been stuck without the FA JS--whew. Deviating day from heck! ha ha.

I know it has been discussed before, but I couldn't find any language about ground transportation for a deviating pilot from the hotel in the PWA. I looked back in the thread and saw some folks saying we are entitled to it, but I was looking for the reference in the contract. We absolutely should get transportation from the hotel if we deviate because they provide it for the time to make the DH before deviating from it.

Maybe I'm just missing it, but can someone point me to the PWA section about the ground transport while deviating from DH?

Thx...Philly!

It says, "Positive space on-line transportation" for deviating from a deadhead at the end. Elsewhere in the contract it says, "on-line (i.e., Delta Air Lines, Inc.) transportation" so to me, that implies only mainline flights.

But, I'm just a guy reading the contract.

I've read through Section 8 & Section 23. I believe Section 23 is where the contract mentions the option of a deviated DH. It is a very gray area IMO, & unless some new language recently came out I cannot find anywhere where the contract states no PS on RJs. I even asked the supervisor on duty to refer to where the contract says they can't. After 5 mins of silence I got.....Well, it doesn't say anywhere that we can't, but it doesn't say we can, so we can't. :rolleyes:

I think it's a double standard that they can PS on whomever they need to when it's to their advantage, but for us to get home it has to be a Mainline flight. That needs to be addressed. At NWA we could refuse DHing on Pinnacle. Many Mainline pilots did not feel safe riding on them.

Keenster,

No offense intended, but our "airline ID" is absolutely, nothing remotely similar to having a "Top Secret Clearance". I know, I have both. The airline ID may suffice as a "FOUO" clearance, or might even go as far as "Classified" material, but once you've gone through a "TS" investigation and realize that they truly want to know how many beers you had in college, and want "witness/names" to back it up, you'll realize that it is quite a bit more extensive than the background check most airlines perform during employment.

Fly safe,

GJ