Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

+1 I agree with you 100%. How about text us via cell phones? Just about everyone carrys one on their person.

One of the biggest problems was that nobody knew what was going on. My crew was at the airport along with 6 others. All of our flights cancelled in a relatively short time span. None of our schedules reflected the cancellations. Local operations had no information. Nobody could reach reroute/crewtracking/schedulers/crew accomodations.

I know they were swamped which is what brings me to my second point. There needs to be some sort of standard protocol in the event things get ugly. For example, the Captain ensures everyone gets back to the hotel, rested, and ready to assume duty at whatever time.

In my situation, my Captain made the decision after hanging in the crew room for 4 hours that we were going to go back to the hotel. Working with transportation and the hotel, we were able to get ourselves into rooms. Our schedules updated overnight and had we not enterred crew rest, we would have never been able to work the flight. The crews that stayed at the airport were unable to work the flights that were scheduled for them. This only added to the problem.

Probably don't want to hear it, but hopfully the IT will be sooner rather than later, NW had very robust IROP sked software, it knew where you were and what was the most efficent way to get the sked back up and running...hope it makes it here...think this summer will be very long and trying.

keenster

03-15-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 779243)

Keenster,

No offense intended, but our "airline ID" is absolutely, nothing remotely similar to having a "Top Secret Clearance". I know, I have both. The airline ID may suffice as a "FOUO" clearance, or might even go as far as "Classified" material, but once you've gone through a "TS" investigation and realize that they truly want to know how many beers you had in college, and want "witness/names" to back it up, you'll realize that it is quite a bit more extensive than the background check most airlines perform during employment.

Fly safe,

GJ

My point was which I did not make very clear is that once you got your clearance you were good to go and could see top secret materials at any time and did not have to be searched or cleared every time you were going to see top secret material. Our IDs shoud be treated the same way and Crew Pass should come along. We get thru in ATL with the ID alone by way of the cheese grater. That is all.

Elliot

03-15-2010 08:13 PM

Keenster,

Now worries, probably more my lack of reading/comprehension skills, as they are significantly degraded at this time of the evening anyway.

I do however agree with your reasoning that once we're "cleared" to operate the multi-million dollar airplane, that the constant scrutiny of "unskilled labor" wearing "sow-on" badges should be lightened.

Personally, I'm a little tired of having had to endure what I have in both my civilian pilot training, as well as my multiple military deployments, only to be treated like a "possible criminal" when clearing airport security. Not meant as flame bait for someone who doesn't agree, and might sound like a growing bad attitude towards airport security and what the TSA stands for now, but feel there needs to be vast improvements in the process which is being performed.

GJ

sinca3

03-15-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoser (Post 779101)

CAE has Crewpass, and it's a joke. weeks ago myself and the FO were "selected" to go through security like everyone else. Happens all the time at CAE. Now I just skip it and go through the regular security line. I also was "swabbed" at MGM a week ago. Nice.

Hoser
ROLL TIDE!

That happened to me in CAE, I questioned it as it was the first time it had happened to me anywhere. I was told they get a random number from there bosses daily and if your ID badge begins or ends (depends on the day) with that number then you get the "Full Monty"!!
:eek:

keenster

03-15-2010 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 779256)

Capt left his cell phone in the van in HNL. He discovered it once we got to the TSA line. I gave him my cell phone and went on to the aircraft. Because he was there at the check point trying to retieve his phone, the TSA guy decided that he was acting strange and put him through the ringer with 20 questions and treated him as if he was on alcohol asking if he had been drinking. It became a little heated etc. All of this just because he was trying to get his phone back from the van driver. There are a lot of Barney Fife wanta be power hungry people wearing the TSA uniform. A necessary evil I guess, but I do not like the treatment by some of the agents. It really seems like they are primed to the alcohol question right away and that they are looking for it.

hawkesaurus

03-15-2010 09:29 PM

Us going through "detectors" at all is bull******. Once it's established who we are, which should be more than a glance and a nod, it's established. No scrutiny, a pilot's screening should come before a TSA checkpoint.

TOGA LK

03-15-2010 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hawkesaurus (Post 779275)

Absolutely. I pilot can do more damage to an aircraft inadvertently, sitting in the seat naked, than with anything he or she could fit through that scanner.

Superpilot92

03-16-2010 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 779236)

It says, "Positive space on-line transportation" for deviating from a deadhead at the end. Elsewhere in the contract it says, "on-line (i.e., Delta Air Lines, Inc.) transportation" so to me, that implies only mainline flights.

But, I'm just a guy reading the contract.

But then ask yourself who owns compass, mesaba, and comair? Delta does ;) so shouldn't delta airlines Inc include theses regionals as "on-line"?

acl65pilot

03-16-2010 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 779205)

She nonreved on one of my flights not too long ago. She said the IT team was swamped with the merger stuff and when that was over they would begin to work on the improvements. She listened to the CA and I for a good 30 or 40 min. I expect she will be on the ball soon.

I would suspect so. She has a PHD, and from what I understand changed the way NWA did business.

acl65pilot

03-16-2010 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by keenster (Post 778939)

What recourse do we have on being falsely accused of drinking and what is our union stance on this? I would personally want to fry the accuser if it were me. We need to get rid of going thru TSA anyway. Our ID is kind of like having a top secret clearance but we have to check you out before you can see a top secret piece of material each time we are going to show you one. In other words, it is useless. Again, a failure of ALPA.

Keenster;
This is not a failure of ALPA. When you are at an airport controlled by DHS you are attempting to exercise a PRIVILEGE, not a right. Ergo, you have no legal recourse. The accuse you, cost the company money and you embarrassment, they are doing their duty to protect the passengers. There is not too much legal ground here.
The best advice is to make darn sure you are sober and not even hung over. They catch one guy and they prove their point.
ALPA has nothing to do with it. Same deal with CREWPASS. It is up to DHS, not ALPA. Their time line not ours. We can push but that is all we cal do.

I wish it was different but the fact is that TSA has the federal jurisdiction to do what they want how they want as well as forcing you do surrender your license. We are on their turf. Right or wrong, it is what it is.

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