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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 802275)
I'm glad my response could help broaden your horizons!:D
Your little dig about customizing the statitstics, why don't we simplify it to your worries about profitability. Which post-deregulation decade had the largest percentage of airline capacity operating in bankruptcy protection or liquidating through the bankruptcy or commercial processes? What was the total profitability of the US airline industry in each of the post deregulation decades? Maybe you'll see that it really is the case that this post 9-11 period has been a lot worse...but I'd hate for reality to get in the way of your quest!:p btw, we really do ultimately want the same thing. :) Gotcha. I guess the question then becomes: Exactly how much worse has the post 9-11 period been? If you could put a percentage to it, is that percentage proportional to the cuts that have been imposed on pilots? Figuring that out sounds like a big project to me. So many different numbers that could be looked at and ways to look at it. But let me ask you this. Off the top of your head, do you think the cuts that were applied to pilot costs in the post 9-11 period were equal to, less than, or more than the decline in the industry? In other words, do you think our cuts were fully necessary and appropriate for the situation? For that matter, should pilot costs be variable and proportional to company and/or industry cycles? |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 802226)
88; Be careful what you wish for. It sounds like a great idea until you are doing 28 hr four day trips. There would have to be a ton of protections and trip construction requirements built in to 23 for that to be livable.
ACL, I think he was suggesting getting paid a straight rate at TAFB. This could be done and it may even make our trips more productive (although under this type of system it would not matter for us). The advantage that quickly jumps out is the ability to make the same money with a lower hourly scale. A disadvantage, which I think you may have been referring to is that would probably be flying our tails off - crappier/shorter layovers. One possible variation could be we get paid from the start to the end of each work day (TAFB - layover time). I actually think that might have some potential. Ultimately, the devil is in the details and any system can be tailored to be good, or not so good from a Pilot point of view. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 802257)
As soon as you figure that out, maybe you can help me with a few other questions:
What's another word for Thesaurus? If you throw a cat out a car window does it become kitty litter? Why is abbreviation such a long word? If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? When it rains why don’t sheep shrink? Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets? Why do we drive on a "parkway" and park on a "driveway?" :) Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 802285)
One possible variation could be we get paid from the start to the end of each work day (TAFB - layover time). I actually think that might have some potential.
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Originally Posted by vprMatrix
(Post 802277)
We could help fix this by paying everyone a :30 min credit for each leg flown to cover time we spend on pre and post flight duties. This would benefit all, but the DC9 and Md88 pilots would see the biggest gain.
Or just go to a 6hr min day for every calendar day you are at work with an exception of 4hrs min if your last day ends prior to 10 AM. The 6hr pay for every day at work needs a no exceptions clause ;-) Cheers George |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 802198)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QASetIYWEK...69+(Small).JPGI think I just pushed back having kids another couple years....
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 802257)
As soon as you figure that out, maybe you can help me with a few other questions:
What's another word for Thesaurus? If you throw a cat out a car window does it become kitty litter? Why is abbreviation such a long word? If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? When it rains why don’t sheep shrink? Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets? His sake (as in rice wine) I could understand...if that clarifies it at all. |
Originally Posted by Bluto
(Post 802313)
That's awesome. As a father of two young ones, I saw that picture and was jealous. "Hey! That guy gets a nap? No fair!" I guess perspective can be a funny thing.
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 802327)
Take any nap...when you can grab one. And never pass up a chance to eat...words to live by from an airlifter.
I remember hearing the longhaul pilot rules a few years back: 1. Eat when you can. 2. Sleep when you can. 3. Never trust a fart. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 802329)
I remember hearing the longhaul pilot rules a few years back:
1. Eat when you can. 2. Sleep when you can. 3. Never trust a fart. 1) Never volunteer 2) Never turn down a type rating 3) Never eat your crew meal in the dark Nu |
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