Don't forget the third part of that saying....:rolleyes:

Never pass up a chance to "send a MAC message"

Satch, I know that. What it needs to be is every calendar day.

Ya know a three day with a red eye worth 15:45 not 10:30....

It's called putting in your time and paying your dues as it is with most every other profession in this country. Our profession is unique in that you can't just hop to another airline and make the same pay.
Therefore, it is very important that the more time at company and the more senior you get the more money you should be able to make. It has been the way the game has been for a long time and the junior DC-9 guy knows it. How many 25 year old senior management guys or CEOs are there out there? Sorry, but suck it up, I have paid my dues and am still paying them to get to higher paying positions.:D

Yeah. I don't have it with me. I'll go with the 10 hours off between SC periods. Thanks! :)

Does anyone know when APC is going to shutdown this thread? We have over 3600 pages and counting...I wonder if they have a dedicate server just for us...

Section 12:13

13. In order to determine what, if any, assignment has been placed on his schedule for the
period following his release, a reserve pilot is required to check and acknowledge his
schedule via DBMS/VRU after completion of the last flight segment of a rotation and
prior to release. At that time, his schedule may show an assignment:
a. of a rotation with a report that is at least 12 hours after his release.
b. to short call duty beginning no earlier than 10 hours after his release. (see
Section 23 S. 9. b. Exception)
c. of a rest period beginning as early as his release time.

23 S 9b exception

9. A short call pilot:
a. will remain on short call for a period that:
1) is designated by Crew Scheduling, and
2) does not exceed:
a) 12 hours in domestic categories, or
b) 24 hours in international categories

FWIW, if you have access to DALnet or Dal.alpa.org you have access to a pdf file of the PWA! :D

I beleive it is the goal to let this thread carry on as long as it remains relevant and within the TOS.

I disagree, that is why you should be paid more "upfront" to account for the fact that once you have "paid dues" you cannot take those "dues" elsewhere. (That CEO takes his "dues" and actually makes MORE at te next stop, it makes no sense that we force our own to "start over". In fact, our system helps depress indusrty wages even more, by making start ups more economically feasible in the pilot wage arena.)

Plus, getting shot at, riding around on top of explosive devices, or flying 16 hr. days for 27-70k is enough "dues paying". If you've been hired at a major, you have already "paid dues" in one way or another.

Thanks acl. Even if I did find it, I would probably need you guys to interpret it for me. :D

I love all these discussions, but I need some good rumors/facts!!!

Whats up with the LGA swap decision?
I guess we staffed the 88 for the swap and now we are over staffed. Need to cash in for the summer and this is crampin my style!!!