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iaflyer 04-26-2010 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 801901)
sorry to interrupt, i have a quick 2 part question. First can buddy passes be used to travel to europe? If so, can you book the travel, for example, to fly to Rome and back from Milan? Will it be 2 passes or still just one? thanks.

1) Yes, buddy passes can go anywhere Delta or Delta Connection flies. They can't be used on flights that are code-shares (ie, some Air France or KLM flts have a DL flt number - usually odd #s like 8000 or something. They show up in travelnet but you can't book them).

2) You can do what you are asking - it's called Open-jaw, and I've done it with my buddy passes before internationally. Also, say after the buddy pass riders is in Europe, and he decides that Spain was really cool and he wants to go back there and fly out of Madrid rather than Milan, you can change the buddy pass after travel has started. If you do it on TravelNet, the only charge is the difference in mileage and airport taxes. (usually not much difference). It was only one buddy pass.

RockyBoy 04-26-2010 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 801913)
I've heard from several sources that Anderson wants this contract done and dusted by 1 Jan 2012. He would like nothing more than to be fully integrated and labor issues resolved while the other players are still squabbling and not realizing the synergies of a merger. That would put us, as in Delta, in the cat bird seat.

The question is, will we as a pilot group have the ability to take an offer quickly, realizing it's good but not "full restoration" in order to position our company for greater gains in the future? This goes along with what ACL has been talking about, incremental gains. Or will this group vote down a good contract with the attitude that there must be more on the table?

I think the pilots of Delta Air Lines have done enough to position Delta for greater gains in the future. If Delta makes billions of dollars, I still get paid what the PWA says I'll get paid. RA gets paid more to position the company for greater gains in the future not the pilots. If it isn't a full restoration, then the amendable date better be in 2013.

satchip 04-26-2010 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 801922)
I guess to an extent that depends on how much you believe Anderson and how much you think you can predict the future.

As for the latter, nope, can't predict the future, but any one who invests is betting on a certain future. As for the former, I guess I've not been around long enough to have an innate distrust for corporate management yet. As a shareholder (yes, we are all shareholders now) I can see the benefits of this strategy and think it is a rational thing to do. Everyone who invested in the new Delta post Ch 11 wants to get paid. The only way that happens is if we are profitable. Labor friction induces inefficiency and inefficiency raises costs and that reduces profits. I think that is why we as a labor group were engaged about this merger from the get go. That and visionary leadership from our Glorious Leader, Lee.*



*I threw that in TIC just to get the goats of the Hate LM fan club:D.

Box o Rocks 04-26-2010 06:46 AM

Even if Anderson's goal is Jan 1 2012, that's over 18 months away. That's an eternity in this industry right now. Begin negotiations now, maybe, but I doubt he commits to anything substantial before the amendable date. Too much can change for the worse, suddenly.

BigGuns 04-26-2010 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 801913)
I've heard from several sources that Anderson wants this contract done and dusted by 1 Jan 2012.

Don't you mean 1 JAN 2013? The PWA expires 31 DEC 2012.

iaflyer 04-26-2010 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 801925)
There is a saying, "the perfect is the enemy of the good enough". We want the whole enchilada. Can we be happy for one bite at a time or will we demand it all right now?

I'd be happy with "one bite at a time" in order to bring out pay and benefits up to normal levels. I think that the circumstances that brought the C2K payrates was an abnormality: it was the middle of the tech boom where business fliers were buying tickets at any price to go make deals and money was freely flowing through our economy. Back there also wasn't the "lowest deal" websites that have ravaged the yield everyone pays. I'm not saying we should not get paid more - I'm just saying there was a lot of extra revenue that I'm not sure even exists anymore.

As for getting the C2K contract, I wasn't here so I don't know much of what went on - I know that United pilots had the airline over a barrel and United pretty much had to cave in order to keep their airline functioning. Maybe DALPA could point to United and say, "see - they think they can run an airline at these payrates - why can't you?"

So - those are the reasons why I don't think we can demand and get a C2K contract. We can demand it, and spend from 2012, 2013, and 2014 fighting the company about it and not get it. Or, we can spend 2012 working on a contract that has decent pay raises, a short contract length and lots of work rule improvements then do it again in 2015. I think we as a pilot group will have a higher overall career compensation if we get smaller, constant improvements rather than a few, large improvements.

Speedbug911 04-26-2010 07:14 AM

Can anyone tell me if an OAL employee listed for an Iternational flight can upgrade to first class on a Delta flight? I was supposed to find out on my last trip but everytime I thought about it I got too busy with all that weather this week and a divert to add to the mess. Thanks!

iaflyer 04-26-2010 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Speedbug911 (Post 801956)
Can anyone tell me if an OAL employee listed for an Iternational flight can upgrade to first class on a Delta flight? I was supposed to find out on my last trip but everytime I thought about it I got too busy with all that weather this week and a divert to add to the mess. Thanks!

Well - what kind of ticket are they traveling on? If they are on a Zed fare, then yes, but the chance is slim. If they are just on a regular ticket and want to upgrade, then it depends on the fare class and Delta's rules for purchasing an upgrade.

Zed fares traveling on Delta are listed as S4 using the date of travel as the hire date, so they would upgrade after all the employees, retirees, and buddy pass riders.

newKnow 04-26-2010 07:20 AM

I notice I have a lot of flights hubbin' and spokkin" out of the ATL next month with several layovers there. Is an ATL DC-9 base in the works there on the next AE?

Bucking Bar 04-26-2010 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 801825)
Edit Alert....I just noticed that note from section 23 that Johnson quoted and never noticed or cared about that note before. So anything under 12 hours is always a proffer even an IA call if you are on LC. Good tidbit to know.

They have two ways around this:
1) Convert you to SC within 10 hours
.... 1 a ... and then go ahead and assign you the trip with the intention of notifying you at the last minute "do the best you can"
2) Calling you at 03:00 to tell you that you were assigned short call at 05:00 and you failed to acknowledge, but they don't have anything for you. Bleary eyed you turn on your computer and learn that you have a trip with a 06:40 duty in. You can waste 10 minutes on the phone or spend that time in the drive through line getting a cup of coffee. I recommend the coffee. Dunkin Doughnuts opens at 05:30 near my house.

I've only had them own up to a SC during a LC window as a proffer once. Depends on who's working and how desperate they are.

The fix is to print your schedule daily to a PDF file. It is just like "Wind Shear" and other "emergencies." If you prepare & brief, then it never happens.


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