Carl.

In your quest to get to self help(which I'm not opposed to) mediation, THEN a proffer of binding arbitration are necessary to get to the ultimate goal. Oh and that takes at least a year or more after exhausting the negotiations. Or do you just want to fast forward to a great contract by the amendable date? I wish it were that simple

 

Actually Slow,

Any number of people ran for that office.

The person who did win shares %100 of my views, has shown his ability to tell people to **** up a rope when they're doing the wrong thing and absolutely rides on NO ONE'S coattails.

Thus I get all the benefits and none of the hassle.

Nu

 

Yup, the three guys that regularly post negatively here from the North are generally wrong!

It took about 3 years for the WAL merger to make big changes in the way DAL did business. Right after that came the PAA acquisition. That one, while smaller, was more involved but still took about 3 years to make all the checklist and policy impacts.

The corporate transaction happened October 30, 2008. We got to SOC December 31, 2009 by using "adopt and go." There will be changes looking for the "better" way coming. And for all the guys that bash IT, compare Delta's result after 14 months with that of USAirways.

I get it. It ain't perfect. Neither was the airline you came from. Because 80% of the change has been for you, the differences are more stark. You can choose to continue to berate your coworkers while going for that last gopher and blow up the whole golf course if you'd like. I'd call that a pyrrhic victory if you were successful.

Yup. We enforce the contract. We don't file frivolous "grievances." When we do go to the 5 man, we generally win. More often than not, we get the case settled in the pilots favor prior to there ever being a grievance because we engage management and prove that our point of view is correct.

 

You know in my book nu post was spot on. I think I read it three times and after every sentence, in my inner thoughts I said "yes, yes!" and I got all fired up to defend "our" position. But, luckily before I posted I saw buzz's post and remembered that "our" position is the same as "your" position. The merger sucks for both sides. The SLI screwed mostly everyone. "We" lost hire date. "You" lost what your relative seniority could hold. Fine. We can cry to the cows come home.

But, at the risk of appearing partisan, there is a difference in the complaints and how they are recieved. From my view.....

Your complaints:

I am getting bumped off the 767. Response: Let's look into getting recall rights. Counter: Here's why we do it that way.

I lost my pension. Response: Let's look into getting a new DB plan. Counter: You are stupid for even suggesting it.

Our complaints:

We are a little overwhelmed. Response: You're doing a great job. Suck it up.

Our call-in -honest system was better. Any chance of going back? Response: Can't. We'd have to give it to the FA's, too.

The jumpseat booking process is too strict, too cumbersome and too complicated. Response: It's fair. Deal with it.

We don't think we all need vaccines the DC-9 can't make it to South America. Response: We got them so you have to, too.



I really hate writing an "us" versus "them" post, because I see that the merger hasn't been peachy for too many of us. I would love to work with anyone to figure out how to fix things for both "sides." I love problem solving, but hate complaining when it doesn't look to solve the problem. I also hate they dynamic that seems to be evolving on this thread and others.

Nu, was eloquent in his post in a simple way. A lot of the complaints from the north are met defensively. He is not complaining about the complaints, he is complaining how the complaints are met from many of our new brothers. Yes, they are small and trivial compared to getting bumped off your airplane or losing a pension. But, man just because they are small in comparison doesn't mean that they are not worth a good, " I see where you are coming from" or "we should change that."

I feel where you guys are coming from. I wish you had your pensions. I wish we had decent recall rights. But, bashing everything NWA is getting old. And not listening to your new brothers when we make suggestions is not very welcoming. "You're doing a great job" should not be followed by "Now shut up!"


New K Now (Can't we just get along?)

 

Yea, they want DAL so they can eliminate slots at NRT. This is good for DAL pilots how? Oh I forgot, we endorsed it. I must have been out when they called for my vote.....


Wu-hu. All 4?

 

The problem is that you really can't create an equal comparison between the two because both systems are different. The limiting factor on the 1.5 above 80 is would be the Trip Hour Credit (THC). It will limit your flying to ensure that you will have an average of 75 hours per month of flying remaining in the year/12 month period.

While the ALV's might be high now, the TLV has to run between 74 and 79 hours in a rolling 12 month period.

Also, Green slips are generally going to be same day or shorter notice day prior awards.

As a DAL-N, I really like the GS because it they are awarded in seniority order however, it allows the reserve pilots a chance to break guarantee.


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Looks like they listened. This just came across the email "...The MEC administration approached Flight Operations management last week and asked that they reconsider their decision to vaccinate DC-9 pilots. Flight Operations, after consultation with Network Planning, reevaluated the issue and has revised previous guidance. Effective immediately, the requirement for DC-9 pilots to receive the yellow fever vaccination has been rescinded. The requirement remains in effect for all other pilots. DC-9 pilots who transition to other fleets in the future will be required to receive the yellow fever vaccination at that time."

 

Interesting. So apparently squawking about something CAN influence policy. Apparently being something other than a sheeple works. Whodda thunk it....

I seriously doubt this would have changed had no one complained about it. Conversely, it might have been the legal saber rattling going on, but who knows.

Odd that this came out on a Sunday night...with the pro-bowl on and everything.

Nu

 

I agree, Come on guys this is a legendary thread so lets keep it classy.

DEAL!!

I AGREE, GOOD STUFF!!

 

There's your Special MEC Meeting agenda.
Contract Section 1.E.2.d and the 316 Narita slots.

There also is our leverage.
We better get some good stuff in exchange for modifying our scope clause.