Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-10-2010 | 07:39 PM
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I would fully expect Delta to come back at this decision. This is not something I see us taking lying down.
As for JAL. The neat little benefit that we got is this:
It would have probably cost out at least a billion if not two for the press we got for the last five months every night, every news cast about us and JAL. We are now known for pennies on the dollar versus what it would have cost us to get that kind of marketing visibility. We are now a household name in Japan, and AMR is out 1.4 billion.
Time to take that recognition for a run. We need to move quick because consumers minds are short and fickle.
As for JAL. The neat little benefit that we got is this:
It would have probably cost out at least a billion if not two for the press we got for the last five months every night, every news cast about us and JAL. We are now known for pennies on the dollar versus what it would have cost us to get that kind of marketing visibility. We are now a household name in Japan, and AMR is out 1.4 billion.
Time to take that recognition for a run. We need to move quick because consumers minds are short and fickle.
Did I miss something? I thought the Japanese said they weren't going to take an "investment" from either American or Delta. If it's true, then that's great.
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02-10-2010 | 07:43 PM
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02-10-2010 | 07:50 PM
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02-10-2010 | 07:50 PM
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Consider that at the time Comair lost flight 5191 they were on Delta's Certificate of Insurance. *
I'm not sure the contractual transfer of liability means a whole lot in the running of an alter ego air carrier. *I'm not sure the risk means a whole lot to the contracting parties, as long as the exposure is properly managed. *As the President of my former employer said "we consider safety a given." *Delta obvious wants it's passengers to have a safe and enjoyable flight, but they have risk managers and trust that they have done their job(s). *They don't stay up at night worrying about this.
Scary Mary finally admitted the obvious and now calls herself a "Plaintiff's Attorney." *Her idea has a lot more with securing another potential source for financial recovery than it does air safety, IMHO. ... and in many venues, the parties in the chain of commerce with the airline service can be sued and in some places held liable jointly and severally. *This is one reason Texas is a popular place to bring aviation litigation. *
The Passenger Bill of Rights also provides some perspective on this. *The issue of responsibility for passenger handling during IROPS was ill defined and left the contracting carrier with a significant potential for loss. *Rather than absorb these costs, they tried to hold passengers on the airplane, overnight, as needed to save money. *This led to litigation long before the government stepped up to the plate to "fix" the problem. *Airlines (not just Delta) had ample time to develop and implement policies which would have stopped that legislation in its tracks. *IMHO the government only got involved because we failed to use common sense in the management of our outsourced flying.
Cue the music, same song, second verse. *When it comes to jacking up the house, ALPA's going to have to do their (our) own heavy lifting on outsourcing.
I'm not sure the contractual transfer of liability means a whole lot in the running of an alter ego air carrier. *I'm not sure the risk means a whole lot to the contracting parties, as long as the exposure is properly managed. *As the President of my former employer said "we consider safety a given." *Delta obvious wants it's passengers to have a safe and enjoyable flight, but they have risk managers and trust that they have done their job(s). *They don't stay up at night worrying about this.
Scary Mary finally admitted the obvious and now calls herself a "Plaintiff's Attorney." *Her idea has a lot more with securing another potential source for financial recovery than it does air safety, IMHO. ... and in many venues, the parties in the chain of commerce with the airline service can be sued and in some places held liable jointly and severally. *This is one reason Texas is a popular place to bring aviation litigation. *
The Passenger Bill of Rights also provides some perspective on this. *The issue of responsibility for passenger handling during IROPS was ill defined and left the contracting carrier with a significant potential for loss. *Rather than absorb these costs, they tried to hold passengers on the airplane, overnight, as needed to save money. *This led to litigation long before the government stepped up to the plate to "fix" the problem. *Airlines (not just Delta) had ample time to develop and implement policies which would have stopped that legislation in its tracks. *IMHO the government only got involved because we failed to use common sense in the management of our outsourced flying.
Cue the music, same song, second verse. *When it comes to jacking up the house, ALPA's going to have to do their (our) own heavy lifting on outsourcing.
, 2) I don't know much about scary Mary but I do remember hearing her talk years ago about airline safety and even then it was a blatant joke/please buy my book, 3) did anyone else find anyyhing said by praeter to be less then memorable last night? 4) bar, what do you think would happen if a Texas styled liability law became federal especially when a mainline carrier uses a dba regional? To me that'd entail having to commit significant resources to oversight such that it'd no longer be wise to outsource. I mean what if the FAA said colgans hiring, hr and training were at failt so we are fining them $10M and equally CAL $10M because people come to CAL for the tickets so colgans issues are 100% your responsibility and liability CAL. You can be sued equally. To me it'd mean dci would go down to 1-2 carriers max.*Actually FTB, I have tipped a cow. She was sleeping standing up. In fact, it was on the way to the lav during my "potty break." She was a DAL FA. You are in fact correct...she did eat grass or whatever she could find in the forward galley and her own barf. I think she was Orlando based.
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02-10-2010 | 08:05 PM
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Actually FTB, I have tipped a cow. She was sleeping standing up. In fact, it was on the way to the lav during my "potty break." She was a DAL FA. You are in fact correct...she did eat grass or whatever she could find in the forward galley and her own barf. I think she was Orlando based.
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02-10-2010 | 08:08 PM
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Actually FTB, I have tipped a cow. She was sleeping standing up. In fact, it was on the way to the lav during my "potty break." She was a DAL FA. You are in fact correct...she did eat grass or whatever she could find in the forward galley and her own barf. I think she was Orlando based.
02-10-2010 | 08:12 PM
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Actually this is a myth. The Port Authority required them to design the terminal so that widebodies could be accomodated just in case JetBlue were to disappear. That way they would have an easier time unloading the terminal to a new tenant. The way it is set up now it will only accomodate narrowbodies, but with some moving of jetways, it will work for widebodies. However, it cannot be used for customs so it is only good for domestic or pre-cleared arrivals.
02-10-2010 | 08:15 PM
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I believe this is her visiting some of her family members on her days off. Couldn't find one of her sporting the red dress.
Very moooving photo...
02-10-2010 | 08:30 PM
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And Skywest. I was in the training department and my experiences with the airline were top notch. Skywest has never lowered their hiring mins, and they have an incredible safety record, too. There are some quality regionals out there, but there are some pretty nasty ones too.
02-10-2010 | 10:01 PM
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As for JAL. The neat little benefit that we got is this:
It would have probably cost out at least a billion if not two for the press we got for the last five months every night, every news cast about us and JAL. We are now known for pennies on the dollar versus what it would have cost us to get that kind of marketing visibility. We are now a household name in Japan, and AMR is out 1.4 billion.
How is AMR out 1.4 Large? ..... everything I have read is that there was going to be NO investment in JAL at this time. Same was to hold true if DAL was the winner.
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