Cog,

Apples and Orangutans. Scope is job security and career progression. Vacation and Pensions are employee benefits. We need both and it is NOT and either / or proposition.

This failed thinking that so many have bought into is that scope = bargaining credits. It does not work that way. Time to let go of a decade of concessionary bargaining and move forward.

 

pulling the trigger on Guam

Rumors are that recall letters sent out late this summer with hiring this fall depending on how many people accept recall. (150 is the number being tossed around that may Accept recall) *this is from multiple sources*

DOH!!! YOUR BEAT ME!!!

 

Your right, just like to add that without the monthly cap a lot of guys are trying to recoup some lost pay by flying more. We need to add the cap AND increase pay.

 

Yeah, but they are afraid we might take the type and go work somewhere better with it

 

Compass was a wonderfull idea....

 

... which, one can hope, might open spots on the West Coast for people currently stuck in other parts of the country.

(Ok, I just found the smilies. Bear with me.)

 

I can dig that.

One of the great things about this forum is that it helps to get to that understanding.

 

Well, that sounds completely different than what you were saying in your past post. I took what you said as the reason the regionals are as big as they are is because regional pilots keep taking jobs and flying for sub-standard wages. That's just not true. The regionals are as big as they are because the majors have made them that way.

Well, then some major airline pilots need to stop blaming regional pilots for the loss of flying at the majors! The blame needs to go to the management who gave away the flying and the unions who caved on scope.

One thing I can agree with you is that we do have an entitlement generation and I'm tired of it too. I saw it while giving OE at my regional and I see it with kids nowadays. It's come from the instant gratification of technology and poor parenting.

And you think us regional guys did? You actually think most of us had our educations and jobs handed to us? Wow... I don't really know how to respond to that.

"Walk in the park" and military flying are two words I wouldn't put together in the same sentence. I know military guys work their butts off to get through their military career. Us regional guys did too...

The bottom line is that we need to hold scope where it is. Maybe we can actually take back some of the flying that's been given away over the years, although I'm not holding my breath! Generally, regional pilots are not happy to see the majors keep giving away flying. Yes, there's a certain percentage who are never going to leave a regional and want to stay where they're at. If we cave on scope again, we're going to lose lot of jobs at mainline. Personally, if I get furloughed, I won't go back to a regional. I'd get out of flying (controlling my own destiny) until Delta called me back.

 

Someone please put this man into the MEC!! He gets it.

 

Config;
A point of clarification.

Do you mean retirement benefits, or pension? As in do you think that a fully funded pension controlled by the company is the way to go? If so I want you to convince me of that.
I much prefer the money in my hands........ As slow has stated there are different pensions then the one we terminated, so I am just looking for what your definition of pension is. That way I can tailor my talking points!