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Originally Posted by Waves
(Post 791615)
Wow, I think Bar and Alfa are starting to narrow their differences. Isn't it amazing how we all truly want the same thing, but differ so widely on how to attain or achieve them. Ain't I smart? I should be writing Chinese proverbs. OK, maybe not.
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Originally Posted by Waves
(Post 791580)
Agreed. I was and always have been a HUGE advocate of procuring a 100 to 120 seat aircraft.
Secondly, once we give up something, it is extremely costly and difficult to get it back. I'm still delusional in the hopes that I will get my pension back. Delusional pretty well sums it up. Best we can do is up the percentage per year, and maybe a flat rate catch up for those the qualify. |
On a serious note. Just wondering: How do we as pilots make our company more profitable and more successful? I think we all try to save fuel as much as possible. We do our absolute best trying to expedite the transfer of pax from point A to point B. So what's left? Is it forfeiting more pay? Is it paying more for our medical benefits? Is it sacrificing our pensions (scratch that one)? What the heck do they want from us?
Have any of you seen the studies conducted on the new FAA 800 hour proposal? I am doing an aircraft annual inspection for a guy who is doing a study on this issue. It is eye opening and staggering at what this future brings. Just trying to keep up here, and add my thoughts. |
Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 791244)
I've never understood why you guys call yourselves Vipers instead of Fighting Falcons, the official name of the F-16.
Viper: the unofficial nickname The F-16 is often referred to as the "Viper", a nickname especially popular with people involved with the F-16. Before "Fighting Falcon" was selected as official name, pilots at Hill AFB, the first F-16 base, came up with a number of proposals, including "Viper". Lt. Col. Pat "Gums" McAdoo, USAF Ret., one of the first F-16 pilots at Hill AFB, recalls the origin of the name "F-16 Viper": At end of runway, the F-16 did resemble a cobra or something as it approached you. However, I think Northrop had already taken that name for the YF-17. Even when F-16 Fighting Falcon became the official name, Viper stuck around and became the unofficial nickname for the F-16. The name "Viper" is even officially used for the Joe Bill Dreyden "Semper Viper" award, which is awarded for excellent airmanship by F-16 pilotsWe all voted, and Viper came in really high. Seems there was a series on TV that had 'colonial Vipers' flying off of Battlestar Galactica (a term later used for the Eagle). In any case, the Generals didn't want a plane 'named after some snake'! Falcon was a good name, and it fit in with the motif that the Eagle had created. Sort of a little brother, but still a 'Bird of Prey'. In fact, GD had a great promo out in late 70's called "Bird of Prey", and it used the Falcon as the real world model. ref: http://www.f-16.net/articles_article...b&tid=2&pid=27 |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 791494)
"Explain how the Delta pilot's sick bank functions."
That was the only question on this year's Advanced Calculus final exam at Harvard. Most of the class failed. |
Waves;
IMO it is more along the lines of doing what is expected, keeping the operation going, and aid the passengers. We are the front line and in many cases the difference between a return customer and a complaint. That is how you aid the company. Information that is timely, accurate and without bias. Simply put the consummate professional. I know you know this, you are a Captain! :D For the new hires it is Safety, Customers Service and Efficiency. Yes that is asked! :eek: |
Originally Posted by DAL73n
(Post 791637)
Ask and you shall receive:
Viper: the unofficial nickname The F-16 is often referred to as the "Viper", a nickname especially popular with people involved with the F-16. Before "Fighting Falcon" was selected as official name, pilots at Hill AFB, the first F-16 base, came up with a number of proposals, including "Viper". Lt. Col. Pat "Gums" McAdoo, USAF Ret., one of the first F-16 pilots at Hill AFB, recalls the origin of the name "F-16 Viper": At end of runway, the F-16 did resemble a cobra or something as it approached you. However, I think Northrop had already taken that name for the YF-17. We all voted, and Viper came in really high. Seems there was a series on TV that had 'colonial Vipers' flying off of Battlestar Galactica (a term later used for the Eagle). In any case, the Generals didn't want a plane 'named after some snake'! Falcon was a good name, and it fit in with the motif that the Eagle had created. Sort of a little brother, but still a 'Bird of Prey'. In fact, GD had a great promo out in late 70's called "Bird of Prey", and it used the Falcon as the real world model. Even when F-16 Fighting Falcon became the official name, Viper stuck around and became the unofficial nickname for the F-16. The name "Viper" is even officially used for the Joe Bill Dreyden "Semper Viper" award, which is awarded for excellent airmanship by F-16 pilotsref: http://www.f-16.net/articles_article...b&tid=2&pid=27 |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 791620)
Great points.
I will add that we do not need to fear reaching to far in our goals. IMO it is ok to ask for what we want. As it states in flying the line, pro union pilots are also very pro company as well. It makes sense and is a short trip for pilots to want to see their company do well. It also makes sense to say that we want them to do will but not at our expense. 1113C stunk, it is behind us, and my position is that we should not fear another round of Ch11. I often wonder if that fear clouds some judgment. Either way I agree with your points. Having the gun of 1113C pointed at your head is no place to be, and it is defiantly not a place you can negotiate from a position of strength. I also agree that the players need to thin out. DAL made the correct decision in beating the competition to the punch. As our profit numbers will show, consolidation will help rationalize this industry. DAL choosing to do this in the worst recession in recent time will prove to be a strategic win. As we will shortly see, our competition will be dealing with major integration issues in a growth phase, and as a result will have a very difficult time keeping up the Delta. This will allow us and the company to step the game up. It is our time to take advantage of this rare opportunity. IMO it may be the first such opportunity to truly get ahead in this industry since deregulation. In an industry that has been notorious for mergers being difficult at best, this has (so far) gone extremely smooth. For that I give kudos to RA and company for having vision when most airline CEO's were happy to take their bonus and move on. Now I expect our pilot group to share in the benefits. Other US airlines may have various strengths that will lead to profits, but none are as complete as the new DL system is. This network, if managed properly, has the potential to redefine the US airline industry. None of this could have been possible without our cooperation. Say what you will about our union leadership (and I am not a huge fan), but they have put our pilot group in a position to succeed. When the profits come, I expect to regain what was given by this group to help put us in this position. We scratched management's back, time for them to scratch ours. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 791446)
Purportedly 50 in each seat. More 777 DTW too. My guess is up to 100 in each seat. (Total not additional)
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 791628)
You think that scope costs money, try and see what it would cost to throw three billion in to a pension. Heck they may ask for 150 seats and below for that!
Best we can do is up the percentage per year, and maybe a flat rate catch up for those the qualify. Acl, did you know that it would have cost The Man less to fund our pensions than to prostitute them to the PBGC? A very intelligent and financial savy 767 CA friend of mine crunched the numbers. It was a close call, but he had all the numbers. It was most disturbing to see those numbers knowing that The Man had sold us out. I will never forget or forgive them for this. |
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